Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software. Perhaps seeing it for himself will help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for their education.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso<<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerr<<a href="mailto:billkerr@gmail.com">billkerr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg <<a href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de">bert@freudenbergs.de</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender<br>
>>> > <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >> === Sugar Digest ===<br>
>>> >> 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in<br>
>>> >> education (See <a href="http://windows7sins.org/" target="_blank">http://windows7sins.org/</a>) imputes OLPC in complicity<br>
>>> >> with Microsoft. It is disappointing that the FSF is not making any<br>
>>> >> constructive arguments in favor of free software alternatives to<br>
>>> >> Windows such as Sugar on GNU/Linux, which is currently shipped on<br>
>>> >> every machine distributed by OLPC.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > <a href="http://windows7sins.org/#1" target="_blank">http://windows7sins.org/#1</a><br>
>>> > When I first saw it I interpreted that page as contrasting the xo as<br>
>>> > a positive alternative to Windows (and still think that is a valid<br>
>>> > interpretation)<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > When I read what walter wrote above later I was shocked to realise<br>
>>> > that it could indeed be interpreted the way walter has, as well<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On revisiting I can't see any clarifying text there<br>
>>><br>
>>> You need to click the "Learn more" link next to the XO picture.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Citing from that concoction:<br>
>>><br>
>>> "As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project<br>
>>> -- if it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into<br>
>>> Microsoft dependents. That is a negative effect, to the point where<br>
>>> the world would be better off if the OLPC project had never existed.<br>
>>> The project tragically became yet another example of Microsoft<br>
>>> exerting its control to ends harmful to society's freedom."<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind<br>
>>> zealousness.<br>
>><br>
>> I see it now, thanks Bert. I agree, it's far too zealous and purist. I agree<br>
>> with Luke too.<br>
>> ( I did click on that link before but it sometimes seems to just reload the<br>
>> same page)<br>
>> I do give the FSF an annual donation so I'll write to them and complain. I<br>
>> thought the over zealousness came more from some FSF supporters than the<br>
>> leadership but perhaps I was wrong.<br>
><br>
> What I think is bad about the campaign is that they say that the OLPC<br>
> project is a vector for Microsoft when the truth is that it's being a<br>
> great vector for free software, regardless of what their leaders wish<br>
> or have said in the past.<br>
><br>
> From reading the FSF campaign, people are supposed to think that<br>
> Microsoft is evil and OLPC bowed to their pressure and abandoned their<br>
> principles. This, I think can have much less impact that if people<br>
> learned that they can help us so more children have a great learning<br>
> experience with free software.<br>
><br>
> So I wouldn't ask FSF to stop bashing MS, I would ask them to<br>
> publicize those projects that can have a big impact on their mission.<br>
<br>
</div></div>That is the point I was trying to make. I don't really care what FSF<br>
does re Microsoft, but they are missing out on an opportunity to<br>
promote a learning project that is aligned with FLOSS by ignoring<br>
Sugar.<br>
<br>
-walter<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Tomeu<br>
><br>
> --<br>
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