<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 17:15, Nicco Eneidi<<a href="mailto:nbotticelli@gmail.com">nbotticelli@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Friday, August 7th, I presented Sugar to fifteen girls ages 10-13 who<br>
> were participants in the Rosie's Girls Summer Program. Rosie's Girls was<br>
> designed to build confidence in young female students and to introduce them<br>
> to non traditional career paths that they may not otherwise have been<br>
> encouraged to explore on their own.<br>
><br>
> The time I had with the students was limited (I had to beg my boss to let me<br>
> get away for an hour from imaging computer labs in other schools) and the<br>
> mobile laptop lab that we used had not had their batteries charged prior so<br>
> we had to quickly steal extension cords from the janitors for power. The<br>
> camp was held at the local high school so most classrooms were unavailable<br>
> and so we had to set up in the atrium.<br>
><br>
> Using the atrium was a poor choice because it turned out to be a very loud<br>
> room and for someone to hear you from fifteen feet away you almost have to<br>
> yell; once you get a few giggly girls talking to each other it is near<br>
> impossible to understand anything.<br>
><br>
> I introduced them to Turtle Art, Speak, and the Physics activities. Again,<br>
> time was very limited so I wasn't able to go much into detail about things<br>
> but they were able to spend some time on each activity. Unfortunately the<br>
> network was down in the building and I wasn't able to bring my own wifi<br>
> router like I had planned. I think if we had been able to get online or at<br>
> least on the network that some of the things we did would have been able to<br>
> be expanded much better if they got to explore the collaborative aspects of<br>
> Sugar.<br>
><br>
> At the same time all three of the camp counselors had disappeared while I<br>
> was presenting Sugar and I think part of the noise issue was because they<br>
> had taken off and the students didn't really know me at all and so maybe a<br>
> sort of "substitute teacher" energy was occuring which made the noise issue<br>
> worse.<br>
><br>
> Some students were into it and I think understood what was going on while<br>
> others were fairly confused as to what they were supposed to be doing and<br>
> why. I can imagine going from welding and working on engines one moment to<br>
> playing with a new operating system the next can be somewhat confusing and<br>
> not as exciting (Welding, sparks! fire!).<br>
><br>
> At the end I explained how to to safely handle the flash drives and how they<br>
> may be able to boot from them at home or other locations and they got to<br>
> keep the drives.<br>
><br>
> Later one of the councelors came back to help me clean up and apparently the<br>
> students were actually quite excited about Sugar and were all talking about<br>
> it in the next classroom. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a kid is into<br>
> something and they may not show it to your face but later on it turns out<br>
> they really enjoyed it. I'm still trying to learn how to pick up on these<br>
> cues and what they mean.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Congrats!<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> So, two questions about Sugar for possible future presentations:<br>
><br>
> 1. Can Sugar be run in some sort of ad-hoc mode where laptops with wifi can<br>
> connect directly to each other and create their own network without a<br>
> central AP/router?<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, but this feature is scheduled to land in the next Sugar release<br>
in about 3 months. That said, you can preview this feature on Sugar<br>
0.84 (Strawberry SoaS) by applying the patch linked from here:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2009/05/ad-hoc-wireless-networks-in-sugar.html" target="_blank">http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2009/05/ad-hoc-wireless-networks-in-sugar.html</a><br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 2. If all computers are connected to a network without internet access is it<br>
> true that if you take out of the jabber server address in the settings menu<br>
> that the computers on that section of the local network should see<br>
> eachother? If so, how well does this actually work? Is it reliable to try it<br>
> with a group of students?<br>
<br>
</div>Sugar can use mDNS to discover other machines _in the same network<br>
segment_. People get confused because the distinction between a<br>
network segment and the whole local network is not obvious to them.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is turning out to be a very important concept to explain to people. Does anyone know of any educational material that can help people understand this distinction and how to set up a network correctly. </div>
<div><br></div><div>We should put this information here: <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration</a></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br>
<br>
This is the same underlying technology in Apple's Bonjour, so both<br>
should work in the same network environment.<br>
<br>
That said, we seem to have some reliability issues that are trying to<br>
track down:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/928" target="_blank">http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/928</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Tomeu<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> For more info about the camp you can check out their site:<br>
> <a href="http://www.rosiesgirls.org" target="_blank">www.rosiesgirls.org</a><br>
> Thank You!<br>
> -Nicco<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Niccolo Botticelli Eneidi<br>
><br>
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