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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs.org
[mailto:iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Caroline
Meeks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Sean
DALY<BR><B>Cc:</B> iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [IAEP]
[Marketing] idea for consolidated Sugar feedback + a newname for our
"users"<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Another thought is Kid and Grown-Up. If we called our users
Kids it would emphasis that we are always thinking about our age range when we
work on Sugar. We are building a tool especially for kids and the grownups
(teachers, parents etc.) who help them learn.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2009/5/26 Sean DALY <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Sugar,
to me, represents the courage of starting from scratch to build<BR>the best
learning environment for kids there is. With the associated<BR>risks - of
being different, being in unfamiliar territory, doing<BR>things in
untraditional ways.<BR><BR>I can't bring myself to call my kids "users" of
Sugar. Yet, a name for<BR>their role when they are doing/making Sugar is
appropriate... they<BR>have a place, they have a colored symbol of
themselves... a shared<BR>experience with others who are there to do something
very similar.<BR><BR>We find it normal to class people by what they do: "Chess
players<BR>practice openings." "Knitters often prefer purl
stitching."<BR>"Bicyclists often wear bright colors to be more visible." In
each of<BR>these cases, the role of the person is in some way defined by
the<BR>necessary objects - Chess players with a chessboard and pieces
(and<BR>usually another chess player), knitters with needles and
yarn,<BR>bicyclists with their bikes. It's obvious that these labels
are<BR>reductive, but what is gained is that they are precise - they
are<BR>descriptive in a way "users" can't be, it's too generic.<BR><BR>The
idea behind "users" is to be all-inclusive, since computers
are<BR>general-purpose data processing machines. I would submit that Sugar
is<BR>a special case because its "users" are children... and I
appreciate<BR>Jonas when he says that we grownups don't need our roles to fit
into<BR>traditional descriptors either. That's outside-the-box thinking in
my<BR>view.<BR><BR>To Eben - on the contrary, I think it's important to
publicly<BR>complement our Activities (capital A since collaborative
applications<BR>specific to Sugar) with Learners (capital L since users with a
role<BR>specific to Sugar). I don't think this nomenclature will
confuse<BR>anyone, but instead clarify Sugar's positioning and
differentiation.<BR>Teachers will understand it right away I think.<BR><FONT
color=#888888><BR>Sean<BR></FONT>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:04 PM,
Jonas Smedegaard <<A href="mailto:dr@jones.dk">dr@jones.dk</A>>
wrote:<BR>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<BR>> Hash:
RIPEMD160<BR>><BR>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 02:02:40PM -0400, Samuel
Klein wrote:<BR>>>Docs that don't use familiar language can be a
turnoff. 'User' is a<BR>>>familiar nuisance. 'Supporter'
might also be apporpriate, since some<BR>>>people who follow and care
about sugar do not use it day to day and<BR>>>are passing on the
opinions of others, or their observation of others.<BR>><BR>> I really
like the term "Learners". It indicates awareness - active<BR>>
participation. The term "Users" to me is more related to
"Consumers"<BR>> (not the word itself, but its use in my part of the
world).<BR>><BR>> I agree that there are others involved in Sugar than
Developers and<BR>> Learners. But as I see it, the examples raised -
Supporters - are not<BR>> Users either :-P<BR>><BR>> I do not
consider myself a Sugar Developer, and not a Sugar Learner. I<BR>>
consider myself a Sugar Packager and (as representative of Debian) a<BR>>
Sugar Distributor.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Oh, and while we are at it: I
suggest calling it "Authors" instead of<BR>> "Developers". Developers
tend to emphasize the techies which is quite<BR>> unfair especially to a
project like Sugar: Authors include both code<BR>> Programmers,
graphics/interface Designers and content<BR>>
Writers/Composers/Illustrators.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Authors $B"*(B Packagers $B"*(B
Distributors $B"*(B Deployers $B"*(B Administrators $B"*(B<BR>> Learners<BR>><BR>>
(arrgh - too long to fit a single line :-( )<BR>><BR>> ...and alongside
all of those are Supporters, which includes<BR>> Fundraisers, Managers and
Inspirators.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Regards,<BR>><BR>> -
Jonas<BR>><BR>> - --<BR>> * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og
Internet-arkitekt<BR>> * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: <A
href="http://dr.jones.dk/"
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