More or less what rEFIt does, in a sense the option key is automatically pressed on each start up so that users can pick the boot option .. autodetection of available OS'ssome eye candy with pictures to click on and no need to tell students to quickly hit the option key on startup. Something is missing in the Sugar iso / stick, I reckon it is a minor addition or fix. I wish I knew more so I could help but I will have to leave it for the bigger players. Apple has jumped ahead by adopting Intel's EFI standard in the new Macs to provide a stable interface between the hardware platform and the OS. We can expect that others will adopt this feature. A distribution that correctly identifies itself with OSX on a key or cdrom iso will gain more crediability with network administrators when teachers ask for it to be deployed or used in the classroom. Regards Roland <div class="gmail_quote">2009/5/25 Caryl Bigenho <<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> Hi Caroline, <p style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"> I had an idea in the shower this am (some of my best ideas come while I am in the shower). I think I may know what is going on with the Macs and live Sugar CDs and how it might be fixed. <p style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"> According to Apple, when you boot with the option key down, the computer looks for all bootable items, eg the Mac HD, a Windows section (via Boot Camp), an external drive, a USB stick, or a CD in the Macs optical drive. The item must contain all elements needed to be bootable. Sooo.... <p style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"> The live CD as downloaded is missing something! The question is, "What?" It may be the things that are on the boot-helper that is supposed to work with SoaS (and which didn't work for me...only the Virtual Box thing has worked so far). <p style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"> So....Maybe someone can figure out what the missing elements are and add them to create a Mac version of the live CD. Better still...maybe they can also figure out how to get it to work on the older non-intel Powerbooks running on the same OSX that the MacBooks use. Make it OS dependent rather than hardware dependent. <p style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"> Know any programming wizards who could take this on? <p style="margin: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; min-height: 14px;"> Caryl <hr>From: <a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a> To: <a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a><div class="im"> CC: <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> </div>Subject: RE: [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How? Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:27:00 -0700<div class="im"> Hi Caroline, I haven't gotten the cd to work yet. Created 2 on the Mac. Neither works. Wonder if making it on the Windows side would do it...will try to find out how to do that. USB didn't work, even with the boot-helper. I can, and have, run Sugar with the Virtual Box. In fact, I keep it in my toolbar. I have been busy with our family business the past few days. I might have a little time tonight to try some other things. But houseguests come tomorrow afternoon and we leave for MT soon after they leave. Won't have much time to play with this until I get back to MT. Caryl <hr>Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:22:55 +0200 Subject: Re: [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How? From: <a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a> To: <a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a> CC: <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> </div><div><div></div> <div class="h5">Hi Caryl, How is it going? I know of two potentail issues. 1. Getting the right materials. At sugar camp we found that the USB created on the macbook was not working, only a PC created USB seemed to work. Plus you need both the USB and the boot helper. 2. some macbooks have a bug, when you boot everything goes fine through most of the boot and just when you are about to get to Sugar you get a mostly black screen with a sqiggle in the middle. Where are you at? I especially need people with problem #2 because I don't have a test machine that shows it and its a show stopper for me for all work in Boston Public Schools because their macbooks have this issue. Thanks, Caroline <div>2009/5/20 Caryl Bigenho <<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>> <blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks, Caryl</div> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> </blockquote></div> -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove Caroline@SolutionGrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax </div></div></div> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> </blockquote></div> -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College <a href="http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au">http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au</a> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead