<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Caroline is right in her explanation. Sugar will first run both telepathy-salut and telepathy-gabble. The salut connection manager will use peer-to-peer connections for presence and collaboration, doesn't need a server but is limited to the local area network. The gabble connection manager will try to connect to the jabber server specified in the control panel and if it succeeds, Sugar will shutdown salut and only use gabble. If gabble fails, the salut one keeps running. For 99% of users, presence and collaboration should just work, but people setting up the environment like conferences, computer labs, etc. should take this behavior into account.</blockquote><div> And the UI should somehow make it clearer what is going on. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Regards, Tomeu <div><div></div><div class="h5"> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 03:01, Caroline Meeks <<a href="mailto:solutiongrove@gmail.com">solutiongrove@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > >> >> >> 4. Yesterday, Walter and Caroline noticed that a room full of people >> using Sugar's collaboration capabilities from a remote server on a >> conference centers network suboptimal. > > Actually you miss understood me. Collaboration worked fine I just didn't > understand what was going on until the drive home. > > During the demo it was very odd, different people seemed to see different > people and I was confused as to what was happening. > > The conference center/hotel was one of those places where to access the > internet you had to 1. Connect to the wireless hub. 2. Open a browser. 3. > Enter username and password. > > This could be done on SoaS just fine. > > But some people did not complete all three steps. > > If you connected to a wireless hub in your neighborhood but didn't go throug > the process with Browse to connect to the internet then you just saw the > other people who also just connected to that wireless hub and didn't connect > to the internet. > > Given the internet was incredibly slow, this may well have been a better > user experience for Sugar collaboration. I don't have any data about that. > > If I were to do a 50 person Sugar workshop in a random hotel with bad > internet connectivity I would bring in a hub or two. Name them different > names. And the workshop could collaborate without ever using the hotel's > slow internet. WIN! > > If I wanted users to see things on the internet I could info slice them > before hand. > > And as an extra bonus no one could check their email during the workshop. > > Note, Im not saying we did a serious test of the collaboration.I am just > saying that everything seemed to be fine at FOSSVT and that I am intreged by > the possiblities of local collaboration. >> >> >> What would be the best way to set up a system like this? As I go back >> over the list, it like like I am asking for a School Server on >> Steroids:) > > No, I think you are asking for a school server the way it is envisioned and > where it is getting to. Now that we can have groups of people on Sugar > comfortably we are starting to understand why we want and need the school > server to work. > > My last couple of visits to schools, and talks to educators at FOSS VT have > convinced me that having a local server and caching inside the school is > going provide a great deal of value to US Schools. > > Caroline >> >> >> david >> >> >> >> > - Jonas >> > >> > - -- >> > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt >> > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: <a href="http://dr.jones.dk/" target="_blank">http://dr.jones.dk/</a> >> > >> > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> > >> > iEYEARECAAYFAknhEYYACgkQn7DbMsAkQLi6KQCeMOkIeojg2/4PYQnb7Qhy+8qO >> > AtUAn1qAdicnYUoFIF1pl4Slg/Ol8z5M >> > =7TlN >> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > Caroline@SolutionGrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > </div></div></blockquote></div> -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove Caroline@SolutionGrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax