Thanks for the response. A few quibbles below.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bmschwar@fas.harvard.edu">bmschwar@fas.harvard.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br> Hash: SHA1<br> <div class="im"><br> Jameson Quinn wrote:<br> > Proposal 1: home view: "Filtered ring w/ side panels"<br> ><br> > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Homunq/activity_ring_filters_and_sidepanes" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Homunq/activity_ring_filters_and_sidepanes</a><br> <br> </div>I'm glad that you're thinking about tagging. For all of our talk about<br> tags, we have yet to implement anything like a usable tagging system, and<br> without it we have essentially no organizational tools at all. It should<br> be a high priority. However,...<br> <br> I don't like this design, though it does force me to think. Opinions<br> about design are always mostly intuitive, so it's hard to justify any<br> particular opinion. However, let me try a few suggestions:<br> <br> 1. Is this really necessary? The tagging system's purpose is for<br> categorizing all Journal entries, as a student easily generates thousands<br> of entries. However, the total number of Activities in existence is<br> relatively small (there are what, maybe about 50 that actually run in a<br> given build?). Are we anywhere near the point where students have so many<br> Activities installed that the favorite/star system is insufficient? Does<br> such a point even exist?</blockquote><div><br>This design is explicitly breaking that paradigm. Any activity icon in this design is connected to all instances of that activity; but a single click will start up an instance. I would even consider allowing two instances of an activity within a given filtered view, if both are recent enough (less than twice as old?). <br> <br>The home view, in my opinion, should becomes more journal-like, while retaining the ability to launch new activity instances.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <br> 2. I find these filters confusing, and I think users would do. "Star"<br> makes sense; it filters the Activity bundles themselves. "Recent" and<br> "Mine" seem to be filters not on the bundles, but on other Journal<br> entries. I think placing them on the Home View, where the only items<br> shown are Activities, is tremendously confusing. Those filters should<br> live in the Journal.<br> <br> The purpose of the Home view is to allow users to launch new, empty<br> Activity instances in a convenient way. Are you proposing a change in the<br> purpose of the Home view, and if so, why is your proposal better than<br> simply replacing the home view with the Journal?</blockquote><div><br>Yes, I am. Not a change, an addition; what you mention is still *a* primary purpose, but not *the* primary purpose. This is the logical conclusion of "resume by default".<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> <br> 3. Selecting filters by dragging them is unnecessary. A click should<br> suffice.</blockquote><div><br>I did not explain that well, I guess. You select filters with a click; you can *assign tags* by dragging.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <br> 4. There is no provision for filtering by multiple tags, without which<br> tagging is a very weak organizational system.</blockquote><div><br>I'd thought about that, but didn't write it up. I would have "add to filter" (needs better name) in a submenu for the tags.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <br> 5. The distinction between "Start tagless" and "Start with current tag"<br> seems unnecessary and confusing. Assigning or removing a tag should be a<br> trivial operation.</blockquote><div><br>IMO it should be both trivial, and available from all places where you might logically want it.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <br> 6. The "Leftovers panel" does not seem to add any value. Instead, we can<br> simply grow or shrink the number of items shown on the home view itself,<br> changing the ring into a sunflower, or eventually even a grid with scrollbars.</blockquote><div><br>It is for ALL activities, to discourage rampant favoritting and allow drag-and-drop tagging. The idea that it would serve as a spillover for an overloaded ring is not central. I agree this might be a bridge too far.<br> <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux)<br> <br> iEYEARECAAYFAknGtmoACgkQUJT6e6HFtqQo3QCgg2FLeVBpRPD5eZniEOUoKGjV<br> fv0AnRreB2pLCgjNU/BmuRghHiljPvGs<br> =g5nL<br> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br> </blockquote></div><br>