<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Caroline Meeks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solutiongrove@gmail.com">solutiongrove@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christianmarc@gmail.com" target="_blank">christianmarc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I think we'd need to know the specific points of contention. I can't imagine which design decisions might work less well on PCs. Sugar remains significantly easier to use than standard PC operating systems...</blockquote> </div><div><br>Put Sugar in front of the average adult sitting alone, without any instruction, for 20 minutes. I doubt many of them would agree with you.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Caroline, I agree this is a challenge.<br> <br>Of course I would argue that this is due to our familiarity with current desktop-based operating systems and the difficulty of breaking old habits. Sugar was designed from the ground up, and hence does require a bit of a learning curve for those of us who use other systems (but for new users should prove much easier to learn). So our marketing needs to continuously address that Sugar is not designed for adults, but for children!<br> <br>A first-time "getting started" page sounds like a great idea--we did something like that for OLPC, perhaps we can appropriate that format for Sugar Labs...?<br><br><br>Christian<br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br>Thats not how Sugar was designed to be used, but it is the conditions under which it is usually evaluated. I think this is one of our marketing challenges.<br> <br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br> <br>Christian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Eben Eliason <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eben.eliason@gmail.com" target="_blank">eben.eliason@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> </div><div><div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> "Sugar is a very good interface for the OLPC computers it was made<br> for, but many of the design decisions and interfaces don't work nearly<br> as well on standard PCs."<br> <br> I'm curious what people think about this statement. I tend to agree<br> that some design decisions were biased toward the XO-1 hardware, but I<br> don't think that any of the decisions actually fail on a "standard<br> PC", and I actually think Sugar scales pretty well in terms of<br> interaction. However, if we can assume their perspective and locate<br> some areas which aren't ideal on all hardware, perhaps we can work on<br> resolving them. Anyone have some examples?<br> <br> - Eben<br> <br> <br> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > It claims to be a standalone home computer environment for kids, not a<br> > classroom environment.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Bernie Innocenti <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> wrote:<br> >> ,Josh williams wrote:<br> >>> Looks like a Microsoft project, they're hosted on IIS and the site is<br> >>> written in ASP.<br> >><br> >> Might also be a bad choice of web hosting provider. The entire ISO<br> >> image contains free software.<br> >><br> >> --<br> >> // Bernie Innocenti - <a href="http://www.codewiz.org/" target="_blank">http://www.codewiz.org/</a><br> >> \X/ Sugar Labs - <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org/</a><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br> >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a><br> >><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a><br> ><br> </blockquote></div></div></div><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="mailto:anything@christianmarcschmidt.com" target="_blank">anything@christianmarcschmidt.com</a><br><br><a href="http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com" target="_blank">http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com</a><br> <br>917/ 575 0013<br> </font><br>_______________________________________________<br> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a><br></blockquote></div></div></div><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br> Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br> <br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br> </font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="mailto:anything@christianmarcschmidt.com">anything@christianmarcschmidt.com</a><br><br><a href="http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com">http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com</a><br> <br>917/ 575 0013<br>