Please disregard my Scratch related summary. Scratch was a typo, should have been Squeak.<br><br>sorry<br>david <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Alan Kay <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com">alan.nemo@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Just to separate terms ....<br>
<br>Squeak is a free open source Smalltalk found at <a href="http://www.squeak.org" target="_blank">www.squeak.org</a>.<br><br>Etoys is written in Squeak (by Viewpoints Research).<br><br>Scratch is also written in Squeak by Mitchel Resnick's group at MIT.<br>
<br>They are different "activities" (in the OLPC sense) but were written using the same portable environment.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Alan<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> David Farning <<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> iaep <<a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 9, 2008 3:01:48 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [IAEP] Distributing Scratch - a summary<br></font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
Again, we had a productive thread about packaging Scratch on Linux Distributions.<br><br>The discussion by members of distributions and product communities about their own communities' history and practices has been great!<br>
<br>Sugar Labs Goals.<br>Sugar Labs is working to make the best possible learning platform available to the most kids. Squeak Etoy is an important part of that platform. As such, we would like to help facilitate the distribution of Squeak on Linux distributions. <br>
<br>Source of Conflict.<br>The core issues appears to be that Scratch, as distributed from upstream, is provided in a format that is unfamiliar to downstream packagers and distribution. This unfamiliarity is being expressed as a concern by the three distributions involved in this discussion. <br>
<br>Effects of Conflict.<br>The unfamiliarity has resulted in a number of concerns, real or perceived, on the behalf of the distributions. I am not making a statement of fact that the concerns listed below are real or perceived. I am listing them as issues that will needs to be communicated between upstream and the distributions.<br>
1. License. <br>1. Availability of source code.<br>2. Maintainability of code by downstream.<br>3. Security.<br><br>Action Item.<br>Flesh out, and move this discussion to <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:debian-devel@lists.debian.org" target="_blank">debian-devel@lists.debian.org</a>. I will start that discussion with the participants of this thread cc:ed later this week.<br>
<br>thanks<br>david<br><br>
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