<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Farning <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Caroline Meeks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> The Moodle site should be up tomorrow. What logo would you like?<br></blockquote></div><div><br>Very nice!  Our official logos are at <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Logo" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Logo</a>  <br> </div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br>Do you have a theme you like? <br></blockquote></div><div> <br>I don't believe anyone here knows enough about moodle to have a preference.  If I am wrong please speak up:)<br><br></div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> What url do you want to use? Does <a href="http://xs.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">xs.sugarlabs.org</a> make sense?</blockquote><div> </div></div><div>I was thinking <a href="http://teachers.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">teachers.sugarlabs.org</a> to indicate that this site will be for and by teachers learning about Sugar. </div> </div></blockquote><div><br>We need places for high school students, who we hope will be helping us test Sugar, to collaborate also.   "teachers" might be a bit limiting.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="gmail_quote"><div><br> </div><div> <br>david<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888"><br> Caroline</font><div><div></div> <div><br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM, David Farning <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Caroline Meeks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Edward Cherlin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:echerlin@gmail.com" target="_blank">echerlin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Caroline Meeks<br> <<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>> wrote:<br> > Hi Edward,<br> ><br> > Ah thank you for asking, I think a translation is in order.  Lesson plans on<br> > the web are just text documents.  There are unknown gazzilions of Lesson<br> > Plans on the web.  Here are some examples of Service Learning Lesson Plans<br> > thanks to Google.<br> ><br> > <a href="http://bostonteachnet.org/chang_feeney_wong/sigproj.htm" target="_blank">http://bostonteachnet.org/chang_feeney_wong/sigproj.htm</a><br> > <a href="http://bostonteachnet.org/bwm/mccullough/sigproj.htm" target="_blank">http://bostonteachnet.org/bwm/mccullough/sigproj.htm</a><br> > <a href="http://www.learningtogive.org/lessons/unit242/lesson1.html" target="_blank">http://www.learningtogive.org/lessons/unit242/lesson1.html</a><br> > <a href="http://www.fsu.edu/%7Eflserve/sl/standards.html" target="_blank">http://www.fsu.edu/~flserve/sl/standards.html</a>  - At the bottom of the page<br> > you can download lesson plans.<br> <br> </div>None of these lesson plans take advantage of our software. We know<br> that what we can do now is radically different from what we could do<br> before.</blockquote></div><div><br>Right, these are examples of lesson plans. The goal is to write something similar aimed at high school students who want to learn about OLPC and Sugar and want to help test Sugar. <br></div> <div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> <br> It's like the difference between filming a play with one unmoving<br> camera, vs. the techniques of pan, zoom, dolly, cuts, wipes, fades,<br> dissolves, special effects, and much more, except more so.<br> <div><br> > It still a lot to get done in time for  G1G1 but it does not require any new<br> > software to be written.<br> <br> </div>I will be giving a talk on the possibilities for new textbooks at<br> XOcamp in three weeks. I'll see about sharing a video. In the mean<br> time, see Alan Kay's video from the Country Workshop at OLPC.<br> <br> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presentations/May_2008_Country_Workshop" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presentations/May_2008_Country_Workshop</a><br> <br> 5:00    Beyond the Printing Press: Computers as Learning Environments<br> for All Children</blockquote></div><div><br>This is great!<br><br>I think I am in total agreement with you.  I'm in no way saying that these old fashioned lesson plans are anything like the kind of experiences that we want students to have on the XO.<br><br>My posting on this thread is very tactical, about something which we could do in the next month or so if we had the right volunteer, that would advance Sugar and perhaps G1G1 sales this winter.<br> <br>Right now I don't have a volunteer to help write the lesson plans so I don't know that its going to happen. If anyone knows a teacher who would like to help please let me know.<br><br>Thanks, </div></div></blockquote> </div></div><div><br>Caroline, how is the moddle server coming? We have an informal commitment from a consultancy to help develop a community of practice around 'teachers helping teach other teachers to teach with Sugar'.  <br> </div><div><br>Edward, Schools are very conservative organizations.  I visited my niece's elementary school a few weeks ago.  Her teacher showed me a closet full of teaching revolutions that she had collected of the past several years:(  I am starting to think that we should focus on the evolutionary rather then revolution nature of Sugar in developed nations.<br> <br>thanks<br>david<br><br>Edward, <br></div><div><div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"> <div><br></div><div><div> </div><div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> <br> Alan Kay, President, Viewpoints Research Institute, Inc.<br> <br> <a href="http://download.laptop.org/content/conf/20080520-country-wkshp/Video/2008-05-20/13-Beyond-Printing%20%28medium%29.ogg" target="_blank">http://download.laptop.org/content/conf/20080520-country-wkshp/Video/2008-05-20/13-Beyond-Printing%20(medium).ogg</a><br> <div><div></div><div><br> > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Edward Cherlin <<a href="mailto:echerlin@gmail.com" target="_blank">echerlin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> I'm not clear on what software we could have ready in time, beyond the<br> >> last release. G1G1 starts in three weeks.<br> >><br> >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti<br> >> <<a href="mailto:mpgritti@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpgritti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Caroline Meeks<br> >> > <<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>> wrote:<br> >> >> Hi,<br> >> >><br> >> >> I'm going to do a bit of preaching to the choir but I thought it was<br> >> >> worth<br> >> >> sharing my thoughts to see if everyone is on the same page and to see<br> >> >> if<br> >> >> anyone has anything to add.<br> >> >><br> >> >> Why Now?<br> >> >><br> >> >> If we can get some activities ready in time for G1G1 then we could end<br> >> >> up<br> >> >> with some synergy on the marketing.  Teachers could use it as a way to<br> >> >> encourage students to ask for it for Christmas, and our tester<br> >> >> recruiting<br> >> >> program could get a bunch of publicity.<br> >> >><br> >> >> Why is it important?<br> >> >><br> >> >> -For Sugar<br> >> >><br> >> >> Growth in adoption will mean more activities which means we need more<br> >> >> testing.<br> >> >> Teachers are a key factor in getting adopted in the developed world,<br> >> >> the<br> >> >> success of Moodle shows us that, this is a way to reach teachers<br> >> >> We can explicitly put in the curriculum a suggestion for students to<br> >> >> show<br> >> >> Sugar to one of their old elementary school teachers.<br> >> >> Some high school kids are very good programmers, this could potentially<br> >> >> be<br> >> >> an avenue for programmer recruitment.<br> >> >> Some geeky high school kids have parents who are very good programmers,<br> >> >> this<br> >> >> could be another avenue for programmer recruitment<br> >> >> In developing the curriculum we will hopefully find other high quality<br> >> >> curriculum that we can reuse.  This is an opportunity to find partners<br> >> >> that<br> >> >> can help in marketing and future curriculum development.<br> >> >><br> >> >> -For Students<br> >> >><br> >> >> There is a tremendous amount that can be learned and an excellent<br> >> >> opportunity for authentic, situated, project based learning. Hardware<br> >> >> and<br> >> >> Software, Education Theory, Understanding the differences in education<br> >> >> world<br> >> >> wide<br> >> >> It is an opportunity to bridge the gender gap that currently exists in<br> >> >> the<br> >> >> US. More girls tend to be interested in Community Service and more boys<br> >> >> in<br> >> >> computers.<br> >> >><br> >> >> Anything to add/subtract?<br> >> ><br> >> > I don't have much to add, but I think it's a fantastic idea. Sugar is<br> >> > not getting enough testing, because, unlike other open source<br> >> > projects, his developer and user base are different (and mostly<br> >> > disconnected). Also testing is often a good way to make your first<br> >> > steps inside a project and then contribute to the development.<br> >> ><br> >> > Marco<br> >> > _______________________________________________<br> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br> >> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> >> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a><br> >> ><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> --<br> >> Don't panic.--HHGTTG, Douglas Adams<br> >> <a href="http://www.obamapedia.org/page/polls" target="_blank">http://www.obamapedia.org/page/polls</a><br> >> Moving into landslide territory!<br> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai</a> For the children<br> >><br> >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name<br> >> And Children are my nation.<br> >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination.<br> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai</a><br> >><br> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai</a><br> >> Give One, Get One, from Nov. 17<br> >> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/xo" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/xo</a><br> >> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Giving/International" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Giving/International</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Caroline Meeks<br> > Solution Grove<br> > Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br> ><br> > 617-500-3488 - Office<br> > 505-213-3268 - Fax<br> ><br> <br> <br> <br> </div></div>--<br> <div><div></div><div>Don't panic.--HHGTTG, Douglas Adams<br> <a href="http://www.obamapedia.org/page/polls" target="_blank">http://www.obamapedia.org/page/polls</a><br> Moving into landslide territory!<br> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai</a> For the children<br> <br> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name<br> And Children are my nation.<br> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination.<br> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai</a><br> <br> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai</a><br> Give One, Get One, from Nov. 17<br> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/xo" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/xo</a><br> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Giving/International" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Giving/International</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div><div></div><div>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br><br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br> </div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a><br></blockquote></div></div></div><br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div>-- <br><div><div></div><div>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br><br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br> </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br><br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br>