<div dir="ltr">I am forwarding a conversation that I have been have with Caroline Meeks to iaep so that we can archive her experiances.<br><br>Caroline is a researcher who is interested in testing Sugar as part of a research project. I will let her fill you in on more of the project details herself.<br>
<br>thanks<br>david<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">David Farning</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:17 PM<br>Subject: Re: Sugar USB testing<br>To: Caroline Meeks <<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>><br>Cc: Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Caroline Meeks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com" target="_blank">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi David,<br><br>Since I don't have an exact duplicate of the machine here, Friday's trip will be devoted to figuring out the answers to your questions.<br>
<br>Let me test my understanding. Are these statements true? -<br>
<br><ol><li> The XO hardware only has 256MB of RAM so in theory Sugar should work on a Pentium 4 with 256MB RAM</li></ol></div></blockquote></div><div>This is not necessarily true. The xo runs a heavily modified version of Fedora. We are putting Sugar on top of stock Fedora, Debian, and Ubuntu distributions. The trade off is engineering time vs. size. It take a tremendous amount of engineering time to maintain a modified distribution. By using stock distributions as our base we greatly reduce the effort needed to push Sugar through the distribution channels.<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><ol><li></li><li>The JoyRide live CD you were giving out at the conference will likely not work unless there is more then 300MB of RAM</li>
</ol></div></blockquote></div><div>I am not sure of the specific needs of the version of Sugar we distributed. Rather then try to determine if a older CD works, let's see if stock fedora, ubuntu and debian work on your equipment. <br>
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</ol>Let me know what information you'd like me to collect on Friday. Here are my thoughts.<br><br>Goal 1 - See if we can get Sugar to run stable on the Shaw Computer Lab computers. Sounds like I can probably just burn a bunch of CDs and use those. What do you want me to test?<br>
<br>The distributions listed on this page: <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems</a><br>Are the various ones for different Linux Distros full system or are they just the files you need to add Sugar to an existing Linux install?<br>
<br><ul><li>Fedora This one? <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora</a> <a href="http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Live/i686/Fedora-9-i686-Live.iso" target="_blank">i686</a> - Live CD</li>
</ul></div></blockquote></div><div>Yes, the live cd would be the place to start.<br><br><div><div><div><h3>6.3. x86 Specifics for Fedora</h3></div></div></div>
<p>
This section covers specific information about Fedora and the x86
hardware platform.
</p>
<div><div><div><h4><a href="http://6.3.1." target="_blank">6.3.1.</a> Hardware requirements for x86</h4></div></div></div>
<p>
In order to use specific features of Fedora 9 during or after
installation, you may need to know details of other hardware
components such as video and network cards.
</p>
<div lang="en">
<div><div><div><h5><a href="http://6.3.1.1" target="_blank">6.3.1.1</a>. Processor and memory</h5></div></div></div>
<p>
The following CPU specifications are stated in terms of Intel
processors. Other processors, such as those from AMD, Cyrix,
and VIA that are compatible with and equivalent to the
following Intel processors, may also be used with Fedora.
</p>
<p>
Fedora 9 requires an Intel Pentium or better processor, and is
optimized for Pentium 4 and later processors.
</p>
<div><ul type="disc"><li><p>
Recommended for text-mode: 200 MHz Pentium-class or better.
</p></li><li><p>
Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz Pentium II or better.
</p></li><li><p>
Minimum RAM for text-mode: 128MiB.
</p></li><li><p>
Minimum RAM for graphical: 192MiB.
</p></li><li><p>
Recommended RAM for graphical: 256MiB.
</p></li></ul>According to the release notes Fedora should work with 256MB<br></div>
</div> </div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><ul><li></li>
<li>Ubuntu - <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download</a></li></ul></div></blockquote></div><div> Yes again.<br></div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><ul><li><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download" target="_blank"></a></li><li>UbuntuMobile - Where is the best place to get an iso? <a href="http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Other/Ubuntu-MID-39213.shtml" target="_blank">http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Other/Ubuntu-MID-39213.shtml</a></li>
</ul></div></blockquote></div><div>For now let's forget about Gnome Mobile. <br></div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<ul><li><br>
</li><li>Sugar - Where can I get an iso for a live CD that will has a chance of working on 256MB of RAM? Should I use any of these? <a href="http://dev.laptop.org/pub/livebackupcd/" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/pub/livebackupcd/</a><br>
<table border="1"><tbody><tr><td><br></td><td><br></td><td><br></td><td><br></td></tr></tbody></table></li></ul></div></blockquote></div><div>I will send you links to newer Live CD by Thursday evening.<br> </div><div class="Ih2E3d">
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<div dir="ltr">Goal 2 - Demoing Sugar capability to the Shaw School Staff.<br><br>It turns out the technology teacher Marian is out this Friday so the
goal of showing the collaborative features maybe next week. However, doing a demo for
adults on a wired network shouldn't be that hard right? Is there some
Jabber server that adults who own XOs are using that we could use for
the demo?<br></div></blockquote></div><div> <br>I was asked at least ten times about the availability of Jabber servers for test purposes at Openminds. As a result, I am looking into setting up a jabber server so each community of Sugar users will have access to a community specific server. Once that is in place it should not be too hard to set a batch of USB keys or Live CDs to go to that server by default.<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><br>Goal 3 - Testing speed and durability of Sugar on a USB Key.<br>
<br>
I can do initial testing of that from here. We don't have to do that at the Shaw but if we had a USB that would be good.</div></blockquote></div><div><br>This would be of great value to our developers. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Thanks!<br><font color="#888888">Caroline</font><div><div></div><div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Would you be interested in moving this conversation to our mailing list at <span><span></span><a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> so we can publicly archive this conversation.<br>
<br>Thanks<br>david<br></span></div><br></div><br></div>
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