On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Stephen John Smoogen <<a href="mailto:smooge@gmail.com">smooge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM, K. K. Subramaniam <<a href="mailto:subbukk@gmail.com">subbukk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > On Friday 09 May 2008 9:33:26 pm Eben Eliason wrote:<br> >> > Even if you were to provide an computer exclusively to each child, they<br> >> > are unlikely to be in use all day long. Programmers in IT companies may<br> >> > spend their whole day before a computer, but children do have a life<br> >> > beyond the keyboard :-).<br> >><br> >> You bring up two points both of which, I feel, support the goals of<br> >> OLPC and Sugar.  First, child ownership ensures that the kids get to<br> >> take the laptops /home/ with them.<br> > Access to computing should not be confused with ownership of laptops. Ask<br> > anyone who used a laptop for more than a few hours away from a power<br> > socket :-)<br> </div></blockquote><div><br>Subbu, this is a very good point.  The mechanisms of empowerment we talk about are mainly access to knowledge, connection with others, and a creative environment; and persistent access to one's own writing and creative works. <br>  </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">Or that in some places a child can not own anything as they are<br> </div> effectively 'owned' by their parents until they are of age.<br> <div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div><br>This is also an issue.<br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">> Ownership per se means nothing to them.   What they need<br> > is access to a learning environment. Often, a village school is the only<br> > place where they can learn.<br> </div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">< Education can happen even on entry level laptops in such schools. The higher<br> <div class="Ih2E3d"> > cost could be offset by sharing one laptop between two kids (OLP2C!).</div></blockquote><div><br>A worthy if difficult exercise : identifying great learning environments & games that can be effectively shared through a fixed-geography lab, through a fixed-geo lab with another computer that sits at home, through mobile laptops shared among a number of people (OLPnC), and those that only work well in the case of saturation and olpc.  <br> <br>SJ<br><br></div></div>