[IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

Dave Crossland dave at lab6.com
Mon Nov 26 01:09:49 EST 2018

What sugar activity packages did you install vis yum? My guess is you don't
have any pulled in as dependencies from sugar-desktop.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 11:05 PM Kevin <accounts at medical.democrat wrote:

> Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like wonderful
> software.
> I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 on
> an old MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent
> problems with that much), and then I followed the instructions I found
> here <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md>:
> ==============
> Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment
> Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type:
> sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop
> Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop.
> ==============
> I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same experience
> that I see when I go to https://try.sugarizer.org.
> When I visit https://try.sugarizer.org I see two options to click: "New
> user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" and I
> type a trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose
> at least 4 images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click
> "Next". And now I see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is
> one page that has some common features with my F29/Sugar desktop
> environment. So I click until I like a color combination for my trial XO
> character and then click "Done." Then I see a spinny icon and shortly
> afterwards I see my XO character at the center of a spiral of Activity
> icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone here (what I think of as
> the Sugar desktop).
> But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my F29/Sugar
> desktop environment.
> When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager
> in F29 and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:"
> screen. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose
> gender. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose
> a grade. After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character
> at the center of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at
> https://try.sugarizer.org. I don't see anything like it at all. I can't
> take a screenshot of it because the screen seems to have no functionality
> for that at all. In the middle of a white screen I see a gray icon of a
> three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal is empty". In the black top
> bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying glass search icon in a
> white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the far left, and then
> proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white box icon
> with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read "Anything"
> (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select filter"
> with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively, then
> lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward
> and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort
> view").
> I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm
> looking at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity
> icons that I see at https://try.sugarizer.org.
> In https://try.sugarizer.org, I see the same three-ring binder icon just
> below the XO character, and when I click on it at
> https://try.sugarizer.org, I'm taken to a screen that is similar to my
> desktop in my F29/Sugar desktop ("Search in journal", white star,
> "Anything" and "Anytime" drop-down menus, a question mark inside a circle,
> and finally a dot inside a circle on the far right; and the same three-ring
> binder icon in the center of the screen above the words "Your journal is
> empty"). But I can exit this screen and return to the spiral of Activity
> icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no way I can find to
> exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop.
> When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old
> MacBook Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when
> logging into this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the
> gnome display manager.
> So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the
> Journal activity) look something like what I see at
> https://try.sugarizer.org (which I think is what I'm supposed to be
> seeing: the Sugar desktop)?
> As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to
> kill -9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when
> I issue the "[alpha at localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session
> --run-script sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in
> either a virtual console or in the gnome desktop environment running a
> terminal window. Then I can login as my kid again and go through the same
> stuck-in-journal-activity loop. How do I break out of this loop?
> I asked about this yesterday in IRC as Nick dr02020, and walterbender
> suggested that I try the F29 vanilla installation that I have now done.
> Thanks for the suggestion, Walter, but I have the same problems in F29 too.
> Thanks for any suggestions on this dilemma. I'm excited to see how my kid
> does in sugar and hope I can do so in our own computer rather than strictly
> at https://try.sugarizer.org.
> Best,
> Kevin
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