[IAEP] [SLOBS] Technical Service Request - Project: Sugar Network
James Cameron
quozl at laptop.org
Tue Sep 26 23:22:46 EDT 2017
thanks chris, interesting questions. i'll have a go at answering
based on my observations.
1) urgency will grow as the problem continues to be unresolved, and a
customer has probably complained to their contractor; but it is hard
to find a volunteer to work on something that is used mostly by one
country, has not been pushed upstream to sugar labs github, and relies
on an old version of sugar. faced the same issues with fedora 18 and
sugar; continual uphill battle.
2) as there is no public maintenance log, we've no idea what
maintenance has been performed; but the same could be said of other
infrastructure we use; there's common agreement among some
administrators to report maintenance to systems@, archives are public;
but not all maintenance is reported; reporting costs time that could
otherwise be spent on maintenance.
3) good question; my guess is in order to attract the right bid, but
there's lots of other things sugar labs could pay developers for if
they wanted to focus on strategic rather than tactical outcomes.
4) yes, there are expiration times, but in the forwarded mail walter
as chair offered to extend it and there was no dissent that i could
find, so it would be up to a board member to dissent which would reset
the process and call for another vote.
another way to look at it is that sugar labs has money which could be
spent, and has a hard time spending it on travel. ;-)
yet another way to look at it is that a local lab needs funding and is
looking at sugar labs as a source for that.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:44:47PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote:
> top-posting because of thread length.
>
> 1) The original request was posted 2017-04-02, how urgent can it really be if
> it has been impossible to find someone to step up and volunteer 20 minutes to
> do this in the past six months?
>
> 2) Has any other maintenance been performed on this server in the last six
> months? If yes, why has CAPTCHA not been added already? If no, is this truly
> a viable service if no one will maintain it?
>
> 3) What is the justification for $500 in costs when it takes 7 steps and 20
> minutes to implement reCAPTCHA according the developer's own estimate.
>
> [1]https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/reCAPTCHA/index.html#0
>
> 4) Is there any expiration time limit on motions to the SLOBs? Maybe after 6
> months it should go to a fresh vote as circumstances can obviously change?
>
> cjl
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Laura Vargas <[2]laura at somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Sameer,
>
> You probably missed this motion as we didn't get your vote.
>
> Today, we are still in need of funding due to recurrent *spam attacks* we
> have had during previous months, and given the fact that we are serving a
> large group of active users during the local school year, I hope the board
> can accept your late vote.
>
> The motion presented by Lionel and Seconded by Samson states:
>
> Motion: Urgent maintenance budget of 500$ for fixing spam attacks on Sugar
> Network. Detail of the tasks to do are described in the Technical Service
> Request provided by Laura. It's an one shot motion to avoid interruption of
> service for Sugar Network users. Further investments on Sugar Network will
> be correlated to discussion about long-term support of the platform.
>
> So far, we got:
>
> 3 votes on favor (Ignacio, Samson and Lionel)
> 1 vote against (Walter)
> 1 abstain (Adam)
> 1 recuse (Laura)
>
> I know you hope to bring your skills and expertise to contribute to the
> strategic direction of Sugar the project, and its implementations, so I ask
> for your support for this implementation serving +40,000 learners.
>
> I hope for your positive vote.
>
> Regards and blessings from Perú.
>
> Laura
>
> 2017-04-21 14:54 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <[3]holt at laptop.org>:
>
> I abstain as I see real arguments on both sides, and apologize I am
> torn.
>
> On Apr 21, 2017 3:49 PM, "Walter Bender" <[4]walter.bender at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Laura Vargas <[5]
> laura at somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
> As I have come to understand I, Laura was ineligible to vote
> according to the Conflict of Interest Policy of Conservancy.
>
> So, we had 6 eligible votes with the following results during
> the voting period by email:
>
> 3 votes on favor (Ignacio, Samson and Lionel)
> 1 vote against (Walter)
> no votes received from Adam and Sameer (count as abstentions)
>
> I think we can wait a bit longer for Adam and Sameer to register
> their votes.
>
> -walter
>
> Since a clear majority on favor is required to pass a Motion
> [1], Motion has failed.
>
> Thank you all that supported the motion! We hope we'll find
> some other way.
>
> Regards and blessings to all,
>
> Laura V
>
> [6]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision
>
> 2017-04-17 10:42 GMT-05:00 Ignacio Rodríguez <[7]
> ignacio at sugarlabs.org>:
>
> Well as I said +1.
>
> Lets hope everything gets resolved ASAP
>
> On 4/17/17, Walter Bender <[8]walter.bender at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > -1 from me. It seems an arbitrary and unscalable request.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Laura Vargas <[9]
> laura at somosazucar.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ignacio, I believe you'll need to state your vote again
> :D
> >>
> >> Since I am the requesting party, my vote will be
> "abstain".
> >>
> >> For all other slobs that haven't vote yet: Adam, Sameer
> and Walter,
> >> please
> >> keep in mind motions need to be voted on via email
> within 7 days of
> >> posting.
> >>
> >> In case any of you slobs require additional information
> please do ask on
> >> time.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Laura V
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-04-13 9:07 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[10]
> samsongoddy at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> +1 for me.
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 13, 2017 11:25 AM, "Lionel Laské" <[11]
> lionel.laske at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Motion: Urgent maintenance budget of 500$ for fixing
> spam attacks on
> >>>> Sugar Network. Detail of the tasks to do are described
> in the Technical
> >>>> Service Request provided by Laura. It's an one shot
> motion to avoid
> >>>> interruption of service for Sugar Network users.
> Further investments on
> >>>> Sugar Network will be correlated to discussion about
> long-term support
> >>>> of
> >>>> the platform.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please second this motion to start the vote.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lionel.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-04-12 14:22 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas <[12]
> laura at somosazucar.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thank you Lionel, Samson and Ignacio!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The formal procedure requires a SLOB to propose "A
> motion" and then
> >>>>> another SLOB to second it. In this way all other
> SLOBs will understand
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> are called to vote.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would appreciate if you guys can do this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Blessings and regards
> >>>>> Laura V
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-04-09 11:36 GMT-05:00 Lionel Laské <[13]
> lionel.laske at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm agree with the idea to think to the long-term
> but I think we
> >>>>>> can't
> >>>>>> leave loyal Sugar user without their tools.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So +1 to process this TSR considering we can't
> process other requests
> >>>>>> without thinking to the long term support of Sugar
> Network.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lionel.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2017-04-08 16:39 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas <[14]
> laura at somosazucar.org>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Once we solve the urgent need to neutralize Spam
> attacks, I would
> >>>>>>> love to open the discussion for long-term support.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-04-08 9:34 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[15]
> walter.bender at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Laura Vargas
> >>>>>>>> <[16]laura at somosazucar.org
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We have supported Sugar Network on a voluntary
> basis without
> >>>>>>>>> retribution since it's deployment on 2014.
> Unfortunately we ran out
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> resources and can't afford to dedicate the
> required time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This begs the question, what is next? How will the
> next issue be
> >>>>>>>> resolved? It seems a long-term solution should be
> discussed as
> >>>>>>>> opposed to a
> >>>>>>>> one-time patch.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Laura
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2017-04-08 9:24 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[17]
> walter.bender at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This document helps clarify what work needs to
> be done. What is
> >>>>>>>>>> not clear to me is why this is work that needs
> to be funded as
> >>>>>>>>>> opposed to
> >>>>>>>>>> being done by volunteers.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -walter
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Laura Vargas <
> >>>>>>>>>> [18]laura at somosazucar.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As per SLOB's request in yesterday's meeting,
> I'm attaching the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sugar Network urgent maintenance project
> proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope this documents covers all the
> information required by
> >>>>>>>>>>> SLOB's to make a decision.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards from the Peruvian Amazon forest,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Laura
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-04-02 23:58 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas <[19]
> laura at somosazucar.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Community members, Oversight Board
> Members and Free
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Software Conservancy Staff,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to add the following request to
> the upcoming
> >>>>>>>>>>>> April's Sugar Labs Oversight Board meeting:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our dear *Sugar Network is in #urgent need of
> maintenance*.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Due the the recurrent *spam attacks *we have
> had during
> >>>>>>>>>>>> previous months, and due to the fact that we
> are serving a large
> >>>>>>>>>>>> group of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> active users during the local school year, I'm
> hereby requesting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> funds to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> perform the following technical services:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - The addition of a "Captcha" identifier for
> the 3 main forms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Clean the Spam comments
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Active users this could help: +40,000
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Name of who is actually doing the work: Luis
> Sebastian Silva,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Laura Victoria Vargas
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Funds required: USD $500
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I openly declare the existence of conflict of
> interest
> >>>>>>>>>>>> associated with any funding request presented
> by me and/or my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> husband as
> >>>>>>>>>>>> long as I continue serving as a Sugar Labs
> Oversight Board
> >>>>>>>>>>>> member.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Notwithstanding the above, I understand
> Conservancy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledges
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that many PLC (Project Leadership Committee)
> Persons are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> technical service
> >>>>>>>>>>>> contractors and therefore it would be doable
> for the Sugar Labs
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oversight
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Board to approve the required funds.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> According to the Software Freedom Conservancy
> Conflict of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Interest Policy, a conflicted PLC Person must
> abstain from and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> must not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hear nor read the pre-vote discussions of the
> matter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore* I will not vote nor participate in
> any pre-vote
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussions of this matter.*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings and thanks in advance!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Attachment 1: Artwork shared at Sugar Network
> - English Class
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Prof. Hilda
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Attachment 2: Official Conflict of Interest
> Policy of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Conservancy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Attachment 3: Spam Comments on Sugar Network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Laura V.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> “No paradox, no progress.”
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ~ Niels Bohr
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Happy Learning!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Laura V.
> >>>>>>>>>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> “No paradox, no progress.”
> >>>>>>>>>>> ~ Niels Bohr
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Happy Learning!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>> SLOBs mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>> [20]SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> [21]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Walter Bender
> >>>>>>>>>> Sugar Labs
> >>>>>>>>>> [22]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>>>>>>> <[23]http://www.sugarlabs.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Laura V.
> >>>>>>>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> “No paradox, no progress.”
> >>>>>>>>> ~ Niels Bohr
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Happy Learning!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Walter Bender
> >>>>>>>> Sugar Labs
> >>>>>>>> [24]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>>>>> <[25]http://www.sugarlabs.org>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Laura V.
> >>>>>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> “No paradox, no progress.”
> >>>>>>> ~ Niels Bohr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Happy Learning!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> SLOBs mailing list
> >>>>>>> [26]SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>>>> [27]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Laura V.
> >>>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> “No paradox, no progress.”
> >>>>> ~ Niels Bohr
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Happy Learning!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> SLOBs mailing list
> >>>>> [28]SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>> [29]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> SLOBs mailing list
> >>>> [30]SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>> [31]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Laura V.
> >> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
> >>
> >> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> >> ~ Laura Victoria
> >>
> >> Happy Learning!
> >> #LaMAgiaDelTiempo
> >> #LearningByDoing
> >> #Projects4good
> >> #IMakeATSugarLabs
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SLOBs mailing list
> >> [32]SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> [33]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Walter Bender
> > Sugar Labs
> > [34]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > <[35]http://www.sugarlabs.org>
> >
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> --
> Laura V.
> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LaMAgiaDelTiempo
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IMakeATSugarLabs
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [38]SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [39]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
>
> --
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>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
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> References:
>
> [1] https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/reCAPTCHA/index.html#0
> [2] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [3] mailto:holt at laptop.org
> [4] mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com
> [5] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [6] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision
> [7] mailto:ignacio at sugarlabs.org
> [8] mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com
> [9] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [10] mailto:samsongoddy at gmail.com
> [11] mailto:lionel.laske at gmail.com
> [12] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [13] mailto:lionel.laske at gmail.com
> [14] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [15] mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com
> [16] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [17] mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com
> [18] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [19] mailto:laura at somosazucar.org
> [20] mailto:SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [21] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [22] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [23] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [24] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [25] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [26] mailto:SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [27] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [28] mailto:SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [29] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [30] mailto:SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [31] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [32] mailto:SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [33] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [34] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [35] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [36] mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [37] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> [38] mailto:SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [39] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [40] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [41] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [42] mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [43] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> [44] mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [45] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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