[IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[James Cameron]

Community is already so fractured into separate mailing lists, that
adding yet another one seems wrong.

My preference would be for the board to discuss some decisions in
private, as is their right as a board, and use different means to
ensure that members are kept informed.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 08:12:47AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Martin Dengler <[1]martin at martindengler.com>
> wrote:
> 
>     How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
>     Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
> 
> I feel your pain. The volume of email relating to process issues of late has
> been overwhelming. It seems we could in large part remedy the situation by
> creating a new email list, shadow-slobs, which could be subscribed to by any
> community member who is interested in these sorts of topics and leave iaep to
> issues of pedagogy and sugar-devel to issues of software engineering.
> 
> -walter 
> 
>     Martin
> 
>     (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
>     far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
> 
>     On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho <[2]cbigenho at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>         Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
>         Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the
>         time he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest
>         of his trip is approved.
>         Caryl
> 
>         Sent from my iPhone
> 
>         On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt <[3]holt at laptop.org> wrote:
> 
>             On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské <[4]
>             lionel.laske at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>                 -1 for this motion.
> 
>                 Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's
>                 fair that Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend
>                 to it.
>                 I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side
>                 trip, so there is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>            
> 
>             Lionel,
> 
>             While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't
>             find it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more
>             than $500 disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator
>             colleagues in Haiti...)
> 
>             Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached
>             this with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of
>             the earlier desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190)
>             ?  In this fashion his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much
>             at all:
> 
>             $1,277.68 @ [5]Emirates.com for [6] https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL
>             Lagos - San Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
>             $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
> 
>             Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's
>             side trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this
>             summer, instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de
>             facto high-pressure sales tactics.
> 
>             But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put
>             that behind us.
> 
>             If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity
>             immediately instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very
>             Easily Go Down The Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with
>             Oct 12 only days away now).
> 
>             In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would *
>             never * allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16
>             days prior to travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had
>             been mentioned forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs
>             to the brink, and costing us money with ever-rising flight
>             costs...)
> 
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> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
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> 
> References:
> 
> [1] mailto:martin at martindengler.com
> [2] mailto:cbigenho at hotmail.com
> [3] mailto:holt at laptop.org
> [4] mailto:lionel.laske at gmail.com
> [5] http://emirates.com/
> [6] https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL
> [7] mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> [9] mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [10] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> [11] mailto:SLOBs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [12] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
> [13] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> [14] http://www.sugarlabs.org/

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