[IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[Hilary Naylor]

Hi Walter,
  Yes, it is a jury of one's peers, but much more than that, because the
disputees agree on the jurors and on their decision. And therefore the
skill, maturity, experience, etc. of the jurors is less important, because
of that agreement. There is a risk that the disputees never agree on the 3
members of the Team, of course, so maybe there needs to be a fall-back
option.

thanks
Hilary


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Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
www.a2zed.us
Oakland CA

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Hilary Naylor <hnaylor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>   I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not
>> binding. That would certainly make it even harder to find people to serve
>> in that role.
>>
>
> The ruling is binding. What is lacking is any mechanism for enforcement.
>
>
>>   I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a Response
>> Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that is created as the
>> need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed to by the persons in
>> dispute, and that both (or all) those in dispute agree to abide by the
>> Team's decision. Where should these Team members come from? -- All Sugar
>> Labs community members are potential Team members by default except for the
>> current SLOBs (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would
>> be drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by one or
>> more of the disputees, and selection continues until there are three.
>>
>
> It sounds like you are proposing a jury of one's peers. But I think the
> need goes well beyond making a ruling. There is a good deal of
> investigation and mediation that is not typical of the responsibilities
> given to a jury. I think that the role of ombudsman (and/or membership on a
> Response Team) requires a level of maturity and experience that would be
> hard to guarantee in your proposed approach.
>
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> cheers
>> Hilary
>>
>> ---Original Message---
>> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 08:35:40 -0500
>> From: Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>> To: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, sugar-sur at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > [español abajo]
>> >
>> > Good day Sugar Labs members,
>> >
>> > As per today's meeting Bert Freudenbergs has declined his Ombudsman
>> > position on Sugar Labs.
>> >
>> > It has been discussed in today's meeting the possibility for Sugar Labs
>> to
>> > shape a RESPONSE TEAM composed at least 3 Sugar Labs members (Its has
>> > been suggested at least one female member).
>> >
>> > The objective of the RESPONSE TEAM will be to attend and resolve all
>> Code
>> > of Conduct's requests for the Sugar Labs Community.
>> >
>> >
>> > Please share your comments and if you are interested in be take part of
>> > this new team.
>> >
>>
>> While I am in favor of trying to improve upon our ability as a community
>> to
>> resolve differences, I have several concerns about the plan to form a
>> committee:
>> (1) It is not clear to me that a committee decision would hold any more
>> weight than the decision of a sole ombudsman. In the most recent (and only
>> second ever) intervention by the ombudsman, his decision was rejected by
>> the party that asked for the intervention. How would the proposed change
>> result in a different outcome?
>> (2) Bert will be sorely missed and hard to replace. Finding three (or
>> more)
>> community members with Bert's standing within the community and
>> impartiality will be difficult. Finding even one will be difficult.
>>
>> On the plus side, it is certainly easier to build in diversity if we have
>> a
>> committee rather than a single person.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> >
>> > Regards and blessings to all,
>> >
>> > [español]
>> >
>> > Buenos días miembros de Sugar Labs,
>> >
>> > Según la reunión de hoy, Bert Freudenbergs ha declinado su posición de
>> > Ombudsman en Sugar Labs.
>> >
>> > Se ha discutido en la reunión de hoy la posibilidad de que Sugar Labs
>> > forme un EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA compuesto por al menos 3 miembros de Sugar
>> > Labs (se ha sugerido al menos un miembro femenino).
>> >
>> > El objetivo del EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA será atender y resolver todas las
>> > solicitudes relacionadas con el Código de Conducta para la Comunidad de
>> > Sugar Labs.
>> >
>> >
>> > Por favor, comparta sus comentarios y si está interesado en formar parte
>> > de este nuevo equipo.
>> >
>> > Saludos y bendiciones para todos,
>> >
>> >
>> > Laura Victoria
>> >
>> ---
>> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
>> www.a2zed.us
>> Oakland CA
>>
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