[IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Hilary Naylor <hnaylor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>   I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not
> binding. That would certainly make it even harder to find people to serve
> in that role.
>

The ruling is binding. What is lacking is any mechanism for enforcement.


>   I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a Response
> Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that is created as the
> need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed to by the persons in
> dispute, and that both (or all) those in dispute agree to abide by the
> Team's decision. Where should these Team members come from? -- All Sugar
> Labs community members are potential Team members by default except for the
> current SLOBs (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would
> be drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by one or
> more of the disputees, and selection continues until there are three.
>

It sounds like you are proposing a jury of one's peers. But I think the
need goes well beyond making a ruling. There is a good deal of
investigation and mediation that is not typical of the responsibilities
given to a jury. I think that the role of ombudsman (and/or membership on a
Response Team) requires a level of maturity and experience that would be
hard to guarantee in your proposed approach.

>
> Your thoughts?
>
> cheers
> Hilary
>
> ---Original Message---
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 08:35:40 -0500
> From: Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> To: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, sugar-sur at lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>
> wrote:
>
> > [español abajo]
> >
> > Good day Sugar Labs members,
> >
> > As per today's meeting Bert Freudenbergs has declined his Ombudsman
> > position on Sugar Labs.
> >
> > It has been discussed in today's meeting the possibility for Sugar Labs
> to
> > shape a RESPONSE TEAM composed at least 3 Sugar Labs members (Its has
> > been suggested at least one female member).
> >
> > The objective of the RESPONSE TEAM will be to attend and resolve all Code
> > of Conduct's requests for the Sugar Labs Community.
> >
> >
> > Please share your comments and if you are interested in be take part of
> > this new team.
> >
>
> While I am in favor of trying to improve upon our ability as a community to
> resolve differences, I have several concerns about the plan to form a
> committee:
> (1) It is not clear to me that a committee decision would hold any more
> weight than the decision of a sole ombudsman. In the most recent (and only
> second ever) intervention by the ombudsman, his decision was rejected by
> the party that asked for the intervention. How would the proposed change
> result in a different outcome?
> (2) Bert will be sorely missed and hard to replace. Finding three (or more)
> community members with Bert's standing within the community and
> impartiality will be difficult. Finding even one will be difficult.
>
> On the plus side, it is certainly easier to build in diversity if we have a
> committee rather than a single person.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> >
> > Regards and blessings to all,
> >
> > [español]
> >
> > Buenos días miembros de Sugar Labs,
> >
> > Según la reunión de hoy, Bert Freudenbergs ha declinado su posición de
> > Ombudsman en Sugar Labs.
> >
> > Se ha discutido en la reunión de hoy la posibilidad de que Sugar Labs
> > forme un EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA compuesto por al menos 3 miembros de Sugar
> > Labs (se ha sugerido al menos un miembro femenino).
> >
> > El objetivo del EQUIPO DE RESPUESTA será atender y resolver todas las
> > solicitudes relacionadas con el Código de Conducta para la Comunidad de
> > Sugar Labs.
> >
> >
> > Por favor, comparta sus comentarios y si está interesado en formar parte
> > de este nuevo equipo.
> >
> > Saludos y bendiciones para todos,
> >
> >
> > Laura Victoria
> >
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
>
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Walter Bender
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