[IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On May 24, 2017 2:22 AM, "Adam Holt" <holt at laptop.org> wrote:

On May 23, 2017 8:48 PM, "Mariah Noelle Villarreal" <villarrealmn at gmail.com>
wrote:

Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in preparation
for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar Labs to
support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.

Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with Scratch
3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by staying true
to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the time for two of
our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the Scratch community.

We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
members from hard to reach places.

If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the social
side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators.  Accepting
this proposal will create space for our community members to make deeper
and more meaningful connections.


Intelligent people can disagree.

Personally I will *never* vote (with a capital N, given past patterns of
accounting black holes within Sugar Labs, and a continuing unwillingness to
pay for a Financial Manager) for *any* proposal, no matter the proposal,
that hasn't been had obvious financial risks of disappearing funds fully
vetted & mitigated.

Hi, your last mail. You requested that i should contact the scratch team if
they can go on with the ticketing and the rest. Because you don't want
Sugar Labs to lose money if we don't get the visas.

According to my discussion with the scratch team as you requested. They
agreed to the terms that they will have to cover the cost and get
reimbursed if we get the visas.

But now, i don't quite understand where this discussion is headed.

Is it that Sugar Labs cannot fund the  trip to Bordeaux as Tymon pointed
out?

If i may since you know more about Sugar Labs financial records than i do,
what exactly is the problem of the motion?

I am not forcing or putting any pressure for the approval of this motion.
But i am seriously confuse.

I will appreciate if anyone can address my questions.


Anything less would not only be shameful, but an abrogation of my ethical
duties as Sugar Labs Financial Liaison to the Software Freedom Conservancy.

WTF indeed (Watch The Financials...)


- Mariah Noelle

On May 23, 2017 9:36 AM, "Chihurumnaya Ibiam" <ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Ty, we are attending as "Invited Speakers", there's a group of African
> representatives attending and representing the continent and we're part of
> that group, we are sharing our story -- what role scratch played in leading
> us this far -- and Sugar Labs is part of that story, it'll be nice and good
> to have guys from France attend to cut costs but we have the stage and they
> don't, and we also have the opportunity to conduct an after event mini
> workshop for people who want to know more about Sugar.
>
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik <dwgipk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
>> samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>>
>>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>>
>>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>>
>>>
>> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>>> arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
>> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
>> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
>> maximum benefit.
>>
>> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to
>> underline we are not in real need to send people who face problems
>> traveling internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking
>> place on the other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer
>> and therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
>> thought.
>>
>> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
>> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
>> there.
>>
>>
>>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>>
>>>
>> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
>> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
>> goals.
>>
>>
>>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>>
>>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>>
>>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>>> think i am done talking.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about
>> this case.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>>> surprised.
>>>
>>
>> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>>
>> Best,
>> Tymon
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik <tymon at sugarlabs.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
>>>> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
>>>> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
>>>> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
>>>> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
>>>> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
>>>> than having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and
>>>> the great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
>>>> journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.
>>>>
>>>> As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
>>>> arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
>>>> to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Tymon
>>>>
>>>> pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské <
>>>> lionel.laske at gmail.com> napisał:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not for the idea:
>>>>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>>>>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>>>>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>>>>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government
>>>>> is sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>>>>
>>>>>            Lionel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez <ignacio at sugarlabs.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender <
>>>>>> walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I second.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sameer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>>>>>>>> samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>>>>>>>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
>>>>>>>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>>>>>>>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>>>>>>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Samson Goddy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>>>>>>>> ignacio at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>>>>>>>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>>>>>>>>>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Ignacio.-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>>>>>>>>>> avni at kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written
>>>>>>>>>>> proposal. +1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am
>>>>>>>>>>> not a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryl
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <
>>>>>>>>>>> walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>>>>>>>>>>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar.
>>>>>>>>>>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
>>>>>>>>>>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for
>>>>>>>>>>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>>>>>>>>>>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -walter
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Walter Bender
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