[IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik <dwgipk at gmail.com> wrote:

> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
> samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>
>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>
>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>
>>
> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>> arrangement.
>>
>
> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
> maximum benefit.
>
> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to underline
> we are not in real need to send people who face problems traveling
> internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking place on the
> other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer and
> therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
> thought.
>

First, the issue was sugar labs losing money if we don't get the visa.
Scratch team agreed that they will take the risk if we eventually get the
visa they will be happy to get repaid.

Now it seems like the conversation is now focus on expensive trip. Is there
any complaints you will like to bring up next?

You are not the first to come up with the idea of bringing someone else.
Lionel did, and i understand and respect his reasons. But you repeating it
again is just not worth it.


FYI, I and Ibiam created the platform about Sugar Labs coming to bordeaux,
that is why i went to Nairobi to convince the organizers that i would also
like to talk about Sugar Labs not just scratch. Came up with a proposal,
and it was selected. Now then have just two space for Sugar Labs member on
the stage at Bordeaux. So Good Luck with sending people there.

Remember it is a Scratch conference, not Open Technology conference.

>
> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
> there.
>

Sugar Labs is not paying for my insurance, so i see no reason bringing this
up.

>
>
>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>
>>
> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
> goals.
>

Sure, finally someone with the bold move to tell me.

>
>
>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>
>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>
>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>> think i am done talking.
>>
>
> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about this
> case.
>
>
>>
>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>> surprised.
>>
>
> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>

Read the statement again if you don't understand, i suggest you leave it
that way.

>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson G
>>
>>
> Best,
> Tymon
>
>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik <tymon at sugarlabs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
>>> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
>>> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
>>> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
>>> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
>>> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
>>> than having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and
>>> the great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
>>> journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.
>>>
>>> As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
>>> arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
>>> to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Tymon
>>>
>>> pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské <lionel.laske at gmail.com>
>>> napisał:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not for the idea:
>>>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>>>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>>>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>>>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government
>>>> is sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>>>
>>>>            Lionel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez <ignacio at sugarlabs.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>>>>
>>>>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sameer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>>>>>>> samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>>>>>>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
>>>>>>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>>>>>>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>>>>>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Samson Goddy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>>>>>>> ignacio at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>>>>>>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>>>>>>>>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Ignacio.-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>>>>>>>>> avni at kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written
>>>>>>>>>> proposal. +1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am
>>>>>>>>>> not a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Caryl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <
>>>>>>>>>> walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>>>>>>>>>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar.
>>>>>>>>>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
>>>>>>>>>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for
>>>>>>>>>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/
>>>>>>>>>> 152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -walter
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Walter Bender
>>>>>>>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
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