[IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 110, Issue 40

[Tony Anderson]

No matter the rules, Ibiam will need a visa in his passport before the 
air tickets can be purchased. So my advice remains, get the visas as 
soon as you can. If you can get them by mid-June, you will have a month 
to purchase the tickets and make other travel arrangements.

Train travel in France is quick, comfortable and less expensive that 
air. So consider when you get your tickets adding some days for 
sight-seeing. My recommendation is to fly to DeGaulle and take the train 
from there (the train is station is in the terminal) to Bordeaux 
(round-trip). On your return you can fly from deGaulle.

Tony

On 05/21/2017 02:55 PM, iaep-request at lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
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> Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 07:55:23 +0100
> From: Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
> To: Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
> Cc: Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>, iaep
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> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> 	(Adam	Holt)
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> Thank you Tony, you just explained everything. But one problem Adam and
> Laura outlined that SFC have some rules, i don't know if someone can
> communicate with them.
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>
> Samson
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> On May 21, 2017 5:13 AM, "Tony Anderson" <tony_anderson at usa.net> wrote:
>
>> The only advice is to get busy with the visa application. It takes a
>> minimum of 15 days to process. The step by step is outlined on those
>> websites. The main
>> point it that they must spend a day in Lagos up front filling out the visa
>> application. In my experience this is like renewing a driver's license -
>> you don't make an appointment, you just go there and follow the
>> instructions. They can find out before they go to Lagos what they need to
>> bring: passport, birth certificate, extra passport photos and so on. They
>> will then to return to Lagos to get the completed visa (normally the
>> passport is kept by the consulate during the 15 days).
>>
>> Personally, since we seem to be willing to fund individuals for past
>> contributions to Sugar Labs, I think the contributions of Samson and Ibiam
>> are indisputable.
>> It should be funded on that basis alone.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On 05/21/2017 11:14 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>>
>> These two guys seem to have their acts together on this one but are having
>> difficulty getting it approved because people feel they may not be able to
>> get all their "ducks in a row" in time to make it happen. If there is any
>> help you can give them... advice, people to talk to to get it ready etc. it
>> would be really great. They still lack one SLOB vote for approval. Too bad
>> Samson can't vote for his own proposal 😏
>>
>>
>> Caryl
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>> *From:* IAEP <iaep-bounces at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>> <iaep-bounces at lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Tony Anderson
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>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2017 5:49:05 PM
>> *To:* iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
>> (Adam Holt)
>>
>> Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa
>> (https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).
>>
>> This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos
>> (http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)
>>
>> I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris.
>> They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves
>> from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France
>> plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I
>> expect to be there as well.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
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>>>      1. Re: [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)
>>>      2. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
>>>         (Samson Goddy)
>>>      3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
>>>         (Chihurumnaya Ibiam)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400
>>> From: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> <holt at laptop.org>
>>> To: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org> <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, SLOBs
>> <slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org> <slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
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>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>> <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
>> <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level
>> contact
>>>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa
>> will
>>>>> be approved?
>>>>>
>>>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>>>
>>> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
>>> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the
>> French
>>> government might be the best way.
>>>
>>> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>>>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not
>> reassuring
>>>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the
>> event.
>>>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>>>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>>>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>>>>
>>>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>>>>
>>> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
>>> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
>>> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>>>
>>> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>>>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>>>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to
>> share?
>>>> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>>>>
>>> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
>>> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
>>> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>>>
>>> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
>>> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not
>> just
>>> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>>>
>>>
>>>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>>>>> to contribute?
>>>>>
>>>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
>>>> foods and visa.
>>>>
>>> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
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>>> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:33:51 +0100
>>> From: Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org>
>> <samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org>
>>> To: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> <holt at laptop.org>
>>> Cc: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org> <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, SLOBs
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>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
>> <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>> <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
>> <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>>>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>>>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>>>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>>>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level
>> contact
>>>>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa
>> will
>>>>>> be approved?
>>>>>>
>>>>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>>>>
>>>> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
>>>> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the
>> French
>>>> government might be the best way.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in
>> advance,
>>>>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not
>> reassuring
>>>>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the
>> event.
>>>>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>>>>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later
>> if
>>>>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>>>>>
>>>> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
>>>> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
>>>> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>>>>
>>> Sure i am going to do that.
>>>
>>>> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage,
>> what
>>>>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>>>>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to
>> share?
>>>>> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>>>>>
>>>> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a
>> more
>>>> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
>>>> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>>>>
>>>> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to
>> specify
>>>> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not
>> just
>>>> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>>>>
>>> we will document on our wiki page/
>>>
>>>>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has
>> offered
>>>>>> to contribute?
>>>>>>
>>>>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux),
>> hotel,
>>>>> foods and visa.
>>>>>
>>>> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
>>>>
>>>> I will have to contact the team about that too.
>>> You will hear from me soon.
>>>
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>>> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:49:10 +0100
>>> From: Chihurumnaya Ibiam <ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com>
>> <ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com>
>>> To: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> <holt at laptop.org>
>>> Cc: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org> <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, SLOBs
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>>>>
>>>> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
>>>> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the
>> French
>>>> government might be the best way.
>>>>
>>> We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the
>> French
>>> government, aside that we know there is no guarantee that it will be
>>> granted neither is there any that it'll not be granted.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
>>>> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
>>>> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>>>>
>>> We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the
>> French
>>> government.
>>>
>>>
>>>> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a
>> more
>>>> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
>>>> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>>>>
>>>> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to
>> specify
>>>> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not
>> just
>>>> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>>>>
>>> This was in an email i received from the Scratch2017bdx committee
>>>
>>> *HAL*
>>> If your proposal has an accompanying paper or poster that you wish to add
>>> to the academic archives, our partner INRIA can publish it in a
>>> Scratch2017BDX section at HAL. HAL is an open archive where authors can
>>> deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields. For this, please
>> fill
>>> out the form at scratch2017bdx.org/en/hal
>>>
>>> If that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
>>>>
>>> They want to share the responsibility with Sugar Labs, they already have
>> a
>>> budget for the event but every money is virtual at the moment, they are
>>> working it out. So they'd love to pay half of the bill that's an
>> estimated
>>> 1500euros($1681.12), but working the figures out the bill goes past that.
>>>
>>>
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