[IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt)

Samson Goddy samsongoddy at gmail.com
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Thank you Tony, you just explained everything. But one problem Adam and
Laura outlined that SFC have some rules, i don't know if someone can
communicate with them.


Samson

On May 21, 2017 5:13 AM, "Tony Anderson" <tony_anderson at usa.net> wrote:

> The only advice is to get busy with the visa application. It takes a
> minimum of 15 days to process. The step by step is outlined on those
> websites. The main
> point it that they must spend a day in Lagos up front filling out the visa
> application. In my experience this is like renewing a driver's license -
> you don't make an appointment, you just go there and follow the
> instructions. They can find out before they go to Lagos what they need to
> bring: passport, birth certificate, extra passport photos and so on. They
> will then to return to Lagos to get the completed visa (normally the
> passport is kept by the consulate during the 15 days).
>
> Personally, since we seem to be willing to fund individuals for past
> contributions to Sugar Labs, I think the contributions of Samson and Ibiam
> are indisputable.
> It should be funded on that basis alone.
>
> Tony
>
> On 05/21/2017 11:14 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
>
> These two guys seem to have their acts together on this one but are having
> difficulty getting it approved because people feel they may not be able to
> get all their "ducks in a row" in time to make it happen. If there is any
> help you can give them... advice, people to talk to to get it ready etc. it
> would be really great. They still lack one SLOB vote for approval. Too bad
> Samson can't vote for his own proposal 😏
>
>
> Caryl
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> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> (Adam Holt)
>
> Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa
> (https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/).
>
> This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos
> (http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/)
>
> I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris.
> They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves
> from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France
> plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I
> expect to be there as well.
>
> Tony
>
>
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> >        (Samson Goddy)
> >     3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
> >        (Chihurumnaya Ibiam)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400
> > From: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> <holt at laptop.org>
> > To: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org> <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, SLOBs
> <slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org> <slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]  [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference
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> > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
> <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
> <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
> >>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
> >>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
> >>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
> >>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level
> contact
> >>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa
> will
> >>> be approved?
> >>>
> >> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
> >>
> > You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> > applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the
> French
> > government might be the best way.
> >
> > 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
> >>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not
> reassuring
> >>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the
> event.
> >>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
> >>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
> >>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
> >>>
> >> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
> >>
> > Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> > have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> > level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
> >
> > 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
> >>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
> >>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to
> share?
> >>>
> >> I don't understand, could you explain more.
> >>
> > How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
> > permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> > http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
> >
> > (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
> > what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not
> just
> > social media, but that could be one part of it!)
> >
> >
> >> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
> >>> to contribute?
> >>>
> >> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
> >> foods and visa.
> >>
> > Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
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> > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:33:51 +0100
> > From: Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org>
> <samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org>
> > To: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> <holt at laptop.org>
> > Cc: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org> <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, SLOBs
> <slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org> <slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org>
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> > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
> <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
> <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
> <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
> >>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
> >>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
> >>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
> >>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level
> contact
> >>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa
> will
> >>>> be approved?
> >>>>
> >>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
> >>>
> >> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> >> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the
> French
> >> government might be the best way.
> >>
> >> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in
> advance,
> >>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not
> reassuring
> >>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the
> event.
> >>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
> >>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later
> if
> >>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
> >>>>
> >>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
> >>>
> >> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> >> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> >> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
> >>
> > Sure i am going to do that.
> >
> >> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage,
> what
> >>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
> >>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to
> share?
> >>>>
> >>> I don't understand, could you explain more.
> >>>
> >> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a
> more
> >> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> >> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
> >>
> >> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to
> specify
> >> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not
> just
> >> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
> >>
> > we will document on our wiki page/
> >
> >>
> >>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has
> offered
> >>>> to contribute?
> >>>>
> >>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux),
> hotel,
> >>> foods and visa.
> >>>
> >> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
> >>
> >> I will have to contact the team about that too.
> > You will hear from me soon.
> >
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> > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:49:10 +0100
> > From: Chihurumnaya Ibiam <ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com>
> <ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com>
> > To: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> <holt at laptop.org>
> > Cc: iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org> <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, SLOBs
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> >>
> >>
> >> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> >> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the
> French
> >> government might be the best way.
> >>
> > We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the
> French
> > government, aside that we know there is no guarantee that it will be
> > granted neither is there any that it'll not be granted.
> >
> >
> >> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> >> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> >> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
> >>
> > We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the
> French
> > government.
> >
> >
> >> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a
> more
> >> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> >> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
> >>
> >> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to
> specify
> >> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not
> just
> >> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
> >>
> > This was in an email i received from the Scratch2017bdx committee
> >
> > *HAL*
> > If your proposal has an accompanying paper or poster that you wish to add
> > to the academic archives, our partner INRIA can publish it in a
> > Scratch2017BDX section at HAL. HAL is an open archive where authors can
> > deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields. For this, please
> fill
> > out the form at scratch2017bdx.org/en/hal
> >
> > If that helps.
> >
> >
> >> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
> >>
> > They want to share the responsibility with Sugar Labs, they already have
> a
> > budget for the event but every money is virtual at the moment, they are
> > working it out. So they'd love to pay half of the bill that's an
> estimated
> > 1500euros($1681.12), but working the figures out the bill goes past that.
> >
> >
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