[IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> wrote:

> 1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could
> disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is
> non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost).  Not at all an abstract
> hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be
> purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria
> (flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well.
>

I think i will have do flight reservation to Bordeaux,
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/flight-itinerary-visa-application/

But my expenses traveling around Nigeria is really important because that
how i can the visa. If i don't make the trip no visa.

>
> In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good
> people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the
> purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a
> result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one
> mysterious technicality or another.
>
> Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay
> for all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not
> possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended.
>
> 2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an
> uncertain outcome.  Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti
> live on $1000 per year total (or less).  I have flown to work with them and
> similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand
> total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in
> other hackers/contributors homes.
>
Traveling from Nigeria is expensive, i had also have some experience when i
went to Nairobi.

For Ibiam a cheap travel plan would be PHC -- LOS -- PAR -- BOD, which
would cost around - €1127 ($1250)

A hotel room for 7 nights  costs about € 252.44 ($280)

Visa and Passport costs about € 149 ($165)

Conference fee €40 ($44.37)

Miscellaneous € 100($111)

Totalling € 1668.4($1851) , most figures rounded up.


>
> Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season,
> is about as expensive as it gets.
>
> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
> be approved?
>

More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.

>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>

I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.

>
> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>
I don't understand, could you explain more.

>
> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
> to contribute?
>
They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
foods and visa.

>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I second.
>>>>
>>>> Sameer
>>>>
>>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>>>> samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>>>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member
>>>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
>>>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>>>> policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Samson Goddy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>>>> ignacio at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's +1 from me :)
>>>>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are
>>>>>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Ignacio.-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <
>>>>>> avni at kidsoncomputers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>>>>>>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caryl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>>>>>>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote Sugar.
>>>>>>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses
>>>>>>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for
>>>>>>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>>>>>>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -walter
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