[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [wiki bug] Roadmap Sugar Labs - Ambiguity detected on how to make Decisions

[Laura Vargas]

2017-05-07 21:59 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org>:

> G'day Laura,
>
> No, I don't think your suggestion is the best fix.  It can and should
> be much simpler.
>
> Words spoken (or typed) during a meeting do not become a motion until
> there exists both a proposer and seconder from among the members of
> the oversight board.
>
> You should instead welcome non-member proposals at the time of a
> meeting; but require both a proposer and seconder from among the
> members of the board.
>
> The board should never prevent itself from talking about something.
>
> A meeting chairperson has the duty to remind those in the meeting
> what the rules are.  Where there is no chairperson, all members of the
> board have that duty.
>
> What I see most of all is poor form of meeting procedure; which in
> other parliaments is handled by;
>
> - the chair making it clear when a motion is proposed, and who
>   proposed it,
>
> - the chair making it clear when a motion is seconded,
>
> - not allowing talk on a motion until it is seconded,
>
> - not allowing a change to the motion unless the change is both
>   proposed and seconded,
>
> - initiation, education and preparation of the board members.
>
> These form the rules of order.
>
> But I do not think these rules are appropriate for your board; they
> are intended for environments where conflict is used to delay and
> prevent decision-making.
>
> The members of the board have "a major problem with conflict
> resolution and consensus building," (sverma) and adding rules won't
> fix this.  On the contrary, adding rules creates more conflict; a
> weapon of procedure.
>
> Please instead build trust.
>

Interesting point of view. Still, please elaborate in this suggestion. How
to achieve this?

It's sounds like the chair has the largest role on making procedures work...

Thanks for your feedback.



>
> Disclosure: I'm not a member of the board, and I'm not a member of
> Sugar Labs.  I'm a third-party with a commercial interest in the
> success of Sugar.
>
> On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 08:29:15AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> > Hola a todos!
> >
> > During yesterday's meeting there was evident confusion among members
> regarding
> > Sugar Labs decision-making process. Specifically, we had not clear if
> non-SLOBs
> > members were welcome or not to propose motions during a meeting.
> >
> > I propose to correct the third sentence of the Decisions description on
> our
> > wiki page it says:
> >
> > [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions
> >
> > "Due to confusion about Sugar Labs governance, during 2016 several
> members of
> > the project not on the SLOB posted motions, but these were not seconded,
> and
> > have been struck out to show they were considered by some SLOB members
> are
> > invalid."
> >
> > I suggest Option A to reduce to zero the ambiguity:
> >
> > Option A:
> > "Sugar Labs governance model encourages members of the project not on
> the SLOB
> > to post motions by email sending the proposed text to SLOBs,
> Sugar-devel, Sugar
> > Sur and IAEP mailing lists."
> >
> > Additional options to modify the text from SLOBs and non SLOBs members
> highly
> > appreciated; lets make an effort to make it cristal clear.
> >
> > Best regards and blessings from the largest forest ;D
> > --
> > Laura V.
> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> >
> > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> > ~ Laura Victoria
> >
> > Happy Learning!
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> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions
>
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>
>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>



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