[IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15

Tony Anderson tony_anderson at usa.net
Sat Feb 18 00:18:23 EST 2017

Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows 
from Scale, an adopter wants to know:

1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is 
using it, are there success stories, testimonials from users?
2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it 
3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out?

Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities, 
Wiki, Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of 
Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a 
block: Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux.

For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well 
- how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to 
download 650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become 
incoherent. They say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the 
CD and start running Sugar from it using the Terminal activity and su.

Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's 
that?') requires the use of the command:

|sudo dnf install livecd-tools
No potential adopter would persist even to this point.

The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux 
distributions. The accompanying instructions from the links on this 
panel are even more intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support 
for Sugar.

In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110. 
This should be featured.

Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for 
download which can be transfered to a usb stick by a single dd command. 
This stick would operate as SOAS but also support installation in an 
available block of hard drive on any amd_64 machine. A second image 
ideally would be installable as a Window application with a supported 
Windows installer (like wubi did). Finally, there should be a Debian 
image which can be copied to an SD card and booted by a Raspberry Pi 3 
(and possibly 2).

Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' 
information on the main screen, not down six screens.


On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, iaep-request at lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +0000
> From: Caryl Bigenho<cbigenho at hotmail.com>
> To: Bert Freudenberg<bert at freudenbergs.de>
> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs<iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] pixel
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> +1 for Tony's comment!
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de<mailto:bert at freudenbergs.de>> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net<mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
> This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do:
> https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc
> Tony
> Isn't that exactly what SoaS does?
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation
> - Bert -

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