[IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed
James Cameron
quozl at laptop.org
Sun Aug 13 16:40:00 EDT 2017
I'm also very disappointed.
I don't see a conflict of interest because of friendship; a board can
always pay members of the board for costs if they choose, even by an
advance if necessary. If friendship created a conflict of interest,
board members could never be friends.
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 04:01:07PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
>
> I am want to say that i am very very disappointed of what this community is
> turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made for
> reasons that are not just worth it.
>
> I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the scratch
> conference that would benefit the community. It was obviously refused for
> reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and then decided to
> cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to $500. With all the
> arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the schengen visa and i
> got rejected with no time to appeal because of the confusion from Sugar Labs
> board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds trying to get Sugar Labs stories
> and project down to bordeaux. Because i believe that is the responsibility as a
> member of this community.
>
> Can someone remind me again what is the "Mission and Vision" statement of Sugar
> Labs?
>
> Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on the
> new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is paying for
> not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. Not attending the summit
> create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now this motion is
> delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain confirmed.
>
> I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to (15
> working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and according to
> Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.
>
> So i am asking politely, if the community is not comfortable with me going to
> the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told today or
> tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that someone can
> go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a visa. Because i
> don't buy or understand this excuses.
>
> I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate politics.
>
> Samson
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas <[1]laura at somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[2]walter.bender at gmail.com>:
>
> Really???
>
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here?
> How does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community
> member (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable
> funding source with whom we have been working for years represent some
> "dangerous precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money
> as individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned
> to community members for travel advances...
>
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
>
> Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in
> democratic decision making.
>
> Regards
>
> Laura V
>
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the
> more mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <[3]samsongoddy at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <[4]holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go
> to San Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a
> personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is
> a dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all
> such matters.
>
> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
> motion.
>
> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to
> Sugar Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from
> Sugar Labs to attend GSOC summit.
>
> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
> advance?
>
> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>
> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such
> comments on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why
> it is happening now, at least eating up time when i should be
> scheduling for interview with the US embassy.
>
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05
> personal loan he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend
> for life in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward
> accomplishing truly incredible things in his life.
>
> Thanks for this note.
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <[5]
> lionel.laske at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear
> from him before voting.
> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>
> Lionel.
>
> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <[6]
> tabitha at tabitha.net.nz>:
>
> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel
> advance for Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <[7]
> walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time
> is of the essence, so please respond ASAP.
>
> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar
> Labs representative to the Google Summer of Code
> mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance to
> cover the costs of his visa application. The
> advance, including wire fees comes to $US 627.05.
> This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
> additional background, Google will be covering up
> to $2200 in travel expenses for two representatives
> to attend the summit. Since our other
> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of
> that money would be available to cover Samson's
> travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
> negligible.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
> [8]accounting at sfconservancy.org>
> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve
> of US$627.05 advance for Goddy for GSoC Mentor
> Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
> To: [9]sugar at sfconservancy.org
> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <[10]gsoc at sfconservancy.org>,
> Samson Goddy <[11]samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>
> Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the
> all caps section below.
>
> Samson,
>
> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to
> [12]sugar at sfconservancy.org for
> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3
> weeks) for the embassy to
> > accept appointment for interview.
> >
> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>
> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from
> Sugar Labs to reply to
> approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't
> replied.
>
> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking
> for this:
>
> FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES
> ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS
> FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO
> GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
> 2017). The totals are as follows:
>
> If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate
> set by WU)
>
> If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)
> +13+25 = US$627.05 to be wired.
> wire fees
>
> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before
> Sunday night US/Eastern, we
> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>
> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would
> be substantial effort for
> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the
> additional wire fees as
> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and
> easier for Conservancy.
>
> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I
> gleaned the wrong totals
> above, please correct them.
>
> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully
> approving this request,
> could you let me know if the wire instructions I
> used for you before are
> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>
> --
> Bradley M. Kuhn
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> Conservancy
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