[IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> To reply would require naming names, times, and places. I prefer not to
> get that personal. The issues I refer to have been discussed at length by
> others in the past.
>

I had asked you off list so that you could choose to be discrete regarding
public airing of indiscretions. I remain ignorant of what you are referring
to and would appreciate a response.

I'd also like an explanation of seeming contradiction between your position
regarding earmarked funds: on the one hand you say you don't want to
provide general funds because they can be used generally and on the other,
you suggested that earmarked funds be used generally. I am confused.

regards.

-walter

>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All….
>>
>> Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on the motion for
>> "dues." I personally do not care to contribute any unearmarked funds to
>> SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at the way funds have been carelessly
>> disbursed to a select few in the past and feel no need to send my good
>> money off to be used in a similar fashion.
>>
>
> This is a serious accusation. (A) I am not aware of any carelessly
> disbursed funds; (B) you recently suggested (in a comment on the Financial
> Manager motion) that the earmarked funds should be spent on whatever we
> want, since "times change", a notion I strongly object to. I would
> appreciate a clarification.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
>> Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in support of
>> SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can assure you they are
>> substantial They include such things as expenses to attend conferences,
>> booth banners, printing costs for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of
>> potential Sugar users and, occasionally, potential Sugar  "contributors."
>>
>> Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others to cover
>> their expenses to do similar things and other things that have far smaller
>> "returns on investment." So, although I cannot vote on this (since I am not
>> a member of SLOB), I do want to voice my opposition to this motion.
>>
>> I am not alone in this.
>>
>> I think if it passes you will lose many members who are strong supporters
>> of Sugar and open source but feel, as I do, that SugarLabs is not the only
>> way to do it. Put simply, they will "vote with their feet."
>>
>> I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in lieu of dues…
>> a new banner, some clever swag or the like to use in marketing Sugar and
>> SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks!
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: dave at lab6.com
>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400
>> To: tony_anderson at usa.net
>> CC: iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations
>> + Public Statements
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net> wrote:
>>
>> I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand
>> we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive in
>> our funds.
>>
>>
>> That's right.
>>
>> The #1 service for member projects listed at http://sfconservancy.org/
>> members/services/ is:
>>
>> *Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations*
>>
>> Member projects can receive earmarked donations through Conservancy.
>> Since Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York, donors
>> can often deduct the donation on their USA taxes. Additionally, the donors
>> can indicate that their donation should be used to advance a specific
>> member project, and those funds are kept in a separate account for the
>> member project by Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from
>> having to commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or
>> having to set up their own project specific account.
>>
>> Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some limits
>> that the law places on what member projects can do with their assets, but
>> those limits are the same as if the project was an independent non-profit
>> entity. Usually, the project leadership instructs Conservancy's leadership
>> on how the project's funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the
>> project's behalf on any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under
>> Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses of
>> earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are:
>>
>>
>>    - funding travel expenses for project developers to attend relevant
>>       conferences.
>>       - domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment
>>       purchases.
>>       - purchasing media for distribution of project software at
>>       conferences and events.
>>       - paying key developers on a contractual basis to improve the
>>       project's software and its documentation.
>>       - sponsoring and organizing conferences for the project.
>>       - trademark registration and enforcement.
>>       - FLOSS license enforcement and compliance activity.
>>
>>
>> http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ says,
>>
>> *Donate to Our Member Projects*
>>
>>
>> Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed donation programs for its
>> member projects. Donation links for these directed donation programs are
>> typically found on the individual websites of our members.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate says,
>>
>> Mail us a check
>>
>> Please make your check payable to:
>>
>>
>> Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.
>>
>> and place this note in the memo field:
>>
>>
>> Directed donation: Sugar Labs
>>
>> Checks should then be mailed to:
>>
>>
>> Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.
>>
>> 137 MONTAGUE ST STE 380
>>
>> Brooklyn, NY 11201-3548
>>
>> USA
>>
>>
>> This needs to be made very clear on the web site.
>>
>>
>> Sure :) Please draft something for what you think should be on the
>> website donation page :)
>>
>>
>> I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring to asking the question. If
>> it is a donation, a person can donate what they feel comfortable with.
>>
>>
>> I don't understand your point :)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
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