[IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 98, Issue 61

[Tony Anderson]

I tried this several years ago but decided that it was not usable 
because it is dependent on internet access. Is that
still the case?

Tony

On 05/19/2016 07:40 AM, iaep-request at lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
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>     1. Re: Sugar network / School Network (Laura Vargas)
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> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 13:39:50 +0800
> From: Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>
> To: Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com>
> Cc: sugar-sur at lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar network / School Network
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> 2016-05-18 6:47 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com>:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On 17 May 2016 at 17:54, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> 2016-05-15 22:53 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> On 15 May 2016 at 13:29, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sugar Network is up the air, and it has more than 35.000 users. You can
>>>>> find the stats here> http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/
>>>>>
>>>> WOW!!! That stats page is AMAZING!! :D
>>>>
>>> :D Thx! Those are node statistics.
>>>
>>> "The node statistics are about the entire server and *depersonalized*.
>>> Statistics are being collected by analyzing regular requests to an API
>>> server and stored for each Sugar Network node."[1]
>>>
>>> Currently we have only one node; the one that refers to users that have
>>> installed Hexoquinasa (Sugar 0.96+Quechua+Aymara+SN).
>>>
>> Cool!! :D
>>
>>
>>> Deployment of Hexoquinasa started by MinEdu on Peruvian *Public Schools*
>>> on the beginnig of School year in 2014. You can tell how the instalation
>>> process has evolved from the statistics of total.users graph.
>>>
>>> You can also find stats from the node usage at:
>>> http://jita.sugarlabs.org/node.sugarlabs.org/
>>>
>> WOW!!!!!
>>
>>
>>> But having looked at the SN wiki pages in more detail, I am still
>>>> confused about Sugar Network....
>>>>
>>> Sugar Network-Sugar Labs wiki pages were originally created by SN backend
>>> main developer Aleksey Lim. His efforts to document the SN solution were
>>> extensive, yet I do agree this documentation requires some cleaning and
>>> updating.
>>>
>>> Any specific question, please ask.
>>>
>> Am I correct in understanding that an effort to set up School Network as a
>> separate organisation is abandoned?
>>
>>
> I am not aware there was ever and effort in this direction.
>
>
>> it seems to have no activity in the last 8 months;
>>> That is not that much for a wiki page :D
>>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>> I don't understand why it isn't a part of Sugar itself;
>>> Not yet but I hope the day will come. We certainly could use new/good
>>> energies and funding to continue this endevour. I would like to quote James
>>> Cameron from OLPC about SN:
>>>
>>> "I'd like to see Sugar Labs focus on making Sugar Network more
>>> available.  It has clearly, by the numbers, outdone the original OLPC
>>> school server concept."
>>>
>>> We should open debate for SL-SN future and define strategy and concrete
>>> actions.
>>>
>> I agree - and James sage advice is classic :)
>>
>>
>>> I don't understand how it raised a small fund for development labour -
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Crowd_funding/Sugar_Network#Overall_progress
>>>> -
>>>>
>>> After Sugar Camp Lima 2011, Bernie Innocenti, Juan Camilo Lema, Aleksey
>>> Lim, Sebastian Silva and I, understood the need for SN and with time
>>> generosity and very limited funds we made it happen; In order to be able to
>>> actually deploy the solution on the field, we had to get to the MinEdu
>>> offices with the solution tested and ready to go, and that's what we did.
>>>
>> AMAZING!!!! :D
>>
>>
>>
>>> and then seems to have stopped without posting why.
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sugar-network seems dormant
>>>> since 2014.
>>>>
>>> We haven't stoped.  Aleksey did work on a new frontend prototype called
>>> School Network, while Sebastian and I continue to monitor and admin the
>>> contents provided by the children in the original node.
>>>
>> Great :D
>>
>>
>>> But since it 2 of the 3 key people I could find listed are you and
>>>> Sebastian, I hope you can refresh the wiki page section to explain these
>>>> things :)
>>>>
>>> We haven't heared back from Aleksey in a while,
>>>
>> He's totally gone, I think: He told me privately that Sugar Labs was his
>> first experience as a FOSS contributor, and he worked full time on Sugar,
>> but stepped aside partly because he wanted a higher income, and partly
>> because he wanted to work in edutech in his own country, which was not
>> adopting Sugar.
>>
>>
> I hope in the near future SL develops the capacity to retain talented
> developers.
>
>
>> So I don't expect he will contribute to Sugar again :/
>>
>>
>>> and this is a shame as his contributions for learners to have access to a
>>> friendly - libre - open - digital communication exchange platform
>>> were major and have been recognized [2].
>>>
>> :D
>>
>>
>>> There are many functionalities that SN provides; content creation,
>>> content exchange, activities distribution, feedback from field (questions,
>>> ideas, problems), etc, still many more can be done, for example as Tony
>>> Anderson once noted, SN is still bound to internet access as the sneakernet
>>> functionality was not fully implemented.
>>>
>> Okay cool. Is there a public roadmap document?
>>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Network/1.0/Roadmap
>
>
>>
>>> Hopefully -somehow- we will be able to upstream the solution for Sugar.
>>> But this will require going thru the components and features, in order to
>>> integrate them in a way that is logical and has consensus
>>>
>> Hmm. I don't really understand this... If 'School Network' as a separate
>> effort is abandoned, then _de facto_ Sugar Network is by name part of Sugar
>> Labs, since its using the trademark ...right?
>>
>>
> Not sure I understand your question.
>
> Sugar Network was conceived to serve Sugar and Sugar-Activities users.
>
> As a project, It has been under the umbrella of Sugar Labs since its
> conception. Please note it is part of the larger project "Harmonic
> Distribution".
>
> As a product, "Hexoquinasa" is a downstream distribution of "Harmonic
> Distribution" made by the Research and Development team SomosAzucar.org.
>
> As a service and database it serves a percentage of Sugar users and it is
> hosted at Sugar Labs infrastructure.
>
> I guess to make it part of Sugar Labs, a first thing will be to migrate its
>> codebase from NotABug to Github.com/sugarlabs
>>
>> Perhaps then, integrate it into consolidated packaging information (since
>> there seems to be an official release process, and then optional release
>> processes for 3rd party distributions of Sugar, such as the "Sugar
>> Construction Kit" wiki page, and probably other docs for abandoned sugar
>> distros like Dextrose and perhaps others...)
>>
>> And then, include it in the 0.110 release.
>>
>>
> What else? :D
> The node service runs locally on each machine. Thus, the node would have to
> be included in the Sugar distribution. The node offers an API for
> accessing/interaction with Sugar Network resources.
>
> So step 0 would be to determine which functions/interactions (out of all
> the possible interactions) to integrate with the proposed Sugar release.
>
> Possible interactions include, but are not limited to:
>
> 1. Search, run, install and uninstall Sugar Activities.
> 2. Share feedback on the experience with Sugar, SN and Sugar Activities
> (comments, questions, ideas and problems).
> 3. Share solutions for questions, ideas and problems.
> 4. Share free digital educational resources (Project's descriptions and
> Journal Objects).
> 5. Perform automatic bug reporting of Sugar Activities.
> 6. Updating the Operating System.*
> 7. Share usage statistics.
> 8. Get notifications from other users interactions.*
> 9. Sneakernet functionallity.*
> 10. Group editing for projects.*
> 11. Allow access in DEMO mode (with limited functionality) visitors from a
> Web browser.
>
> * These functionalities where part of the original design but were not
> fully implemented.
>
> and then make it happen :D
>
>
>>> [1]
>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_Network/API&redirect=no#Node_statistics
>>> [2] Hexoquinasa received an honourable mention for its contribution to
>>> the development and popularisation of free and open source software and the
>>> empowerment of communities more at https://www.apc.org/es/node/19368
>>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
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