[IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

Samson Goddy samsongoddy at gmail.com
Fri Dec 2 08:51:19 EST 2016

Yeah +1 ibiam

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Chihurumnaya Ibiam <
ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com> wrote:

> I totally agree with "We should be able to speak about Sugar deployments
> as we now speak about OLPC deployments. Sugar should be available for PCs
> and mobile devices with xo being considered as one of the supported
> environments".
> I think we limited ourselves to an extent on OLPC deployments, we've tried
> so far in making sugar available for different devices. Those companies are
> not limited because canonical doesn't provide hardware devices neither does
> redhat, but they've partnered with different companies that do.
> Tony, if you've any plan as to expanding our reach apart from the one's
> already listed, it'll be great if you tell us.
>                                                       Best regards
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
> wrote:
>> Hi, All
>> I certainly appreciate the attention my email has received. However, I am
>> disappointed that the responses do not reflect my main concern. I beleive
>> Sugar and Sugar Labs will fade away if it continues to be perceived as
>> the software that comes on an XO. I believe Sugar Labs and Sugar should be
>> perceived as in a similar relationship as Red Hat is to Fedora and
>> Canonical is to Ubuntu.
>> We need to have releases of Sugar: Long-term-support, latest stable, and
>> developer. These releases should be downloadable as a single image which
>> can be installed from a livecd usb stick generated by a dd command. The
>> starting point is probably SOAS - which is not now installable without a
>> technically difficult use of livecd tools in a Fedora 24 installation
>> (which is difficult since Fedora provides Fedora 25).
>> As an evaluation of Sugar Lab's success is that the Mexican deployment
>> presented in the OLPC SF Summit chooses to use Sugar instead of UberMix.
>> (http://www.ubermix.org/).
>> We should be able to speak about Sugar deployments as we now speak about
>> OLPC deployments. Sugar should be available for PCs and mobile devices with
>> xo being considered as one of the supported environments.
>> If no action is taken except to discuss future academic papers about
>> Sugar Labs and SLOB elections, I think both will become totally irrelevant.
>> Current OLPC deployments will choose new hardware to replace XOs and
>> install on this hardware Windows, Raspbian, Chrome OS, UberMix or other
>> readily available and supported alternatives. Sugar will join APL and Cobol
>> in computer history.
>> Tony
>> On 12/02/2016 07:16 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>> There is a IAEP thread "Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election" in early
>> August that has more details about all this.
>> First, I want to note that while an 'election committee' has been
>> mentioned, Walter said in that earlier thread:
>> I am of the opinion that SLOB does not have to approve individual
>> membership in committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees is to
>> appoint a representative. So I don't think we need a motion.
>> As Caryl and Seb have reiterated on this thread: while they both helped
>> run the election last year, they both said a few months ago that they are
>> unable to volunteer for this year.
>> At that time I offered to volunteer, as did Samson; and I found a
>> possible web app to run the election and suggested Samuel Cantero could set
>> it up, and he graciously did set it up.
>> However, by September, (a) the GSOC project to make a font editor
>> activity wound up, and (b)  Sameer offered to lead the vision thing, and
>> until that is done I am not confident about taking any other actions, and
>> (c) I accepted an employment offer by Google and have had less free time
>> since then compared to when I was working as a consultant, so I haven't
>> done more of the things I said I would do. I wrote on August 5:
>> So, I volunteer to do the following before the next SLOB meeting:
>> - I will ask Sam C to set up a new sugar-announce at lists.sugarlabs.org mailing
>> list with himself, myself, samson, caryl and seb as list admins.
>> - I will complete the review of all accounts on the wiki to mark the ones
>> that look like spammers
>> - I will make a final 'all possible members' email list
>> - I will draft the email that asks people to join the announce list and
>> explains why I am asking them to do this, and a motion to approve the
>> election email, and share it on the IAEP list for community review
>> - I will ask SLOBs to post and second the motion
>> Then in early September I can send the email, and prepare a report with
>> the new list of members and similarly to before another draft email
>> soliciting board applications for SLOB to review and approve in the October
>> meeting.
>> Then in early October I can send that email, perhaps also with the
>> donation request, and then prepare a final email calling for votes that
>> SLOB can review and approve in the November meeting.
>> Then in early November the call for votes can go out, votes can come in,
>> and in early December the results can be announced.
>> I still think this process is a good one, but regretfully I am not going
>> to be able to put much effort into this until January at the earliest.
>> So, I suggest that Samson and anyone who wants to volunteer to run the
>> election take a look at that web app with Sam C and see if it really will
>> work for Sugar Labs in 2016.
>> If not, http://civs.cs.cornell.edu was used last year and should be a
>> suitable mechanism for people to cast votes.
>> Finally, I think the very next step is for whoever volunteers to run the
>> election to come up with a list of members emails to solicit votes from.
>> (Where the discussions last trailed off was in discussing who should be on
>> this 'final members list' - I think we agreed to cast a very wide net, and
>> I made some progress reviewing wiki accounts and, defining the members list
>> based on wiki + mailing list posters. I am happy to share that WIP and
>> explain what I would do next with it, but it may be better for the person
>> to start their own list.)
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