[IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 97, Issue 75

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Caryl

Of course, you are right. I really wish we had more information on where 
and how XOs are used in the field. All I know is the experience of the
small number of deployments I am supporting.

Tony

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>     1. Re: Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True? (Caryl Bigenho)
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>     3. Re: Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True? (Dave Crossland)
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> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:32:20 -0600
> From: Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
> To: Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com>, Sean Daly <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
> Cc: Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>, "iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org"
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> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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> Hi Dave,
> At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is "mostly true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be during regular class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science club or robotics club. Other times students might be working together on some kind of media projects using the Sugar Software, etc. The possibilities are almost limitedless.
> In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the students are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at home to complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific research. Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or grandparents, teaching them how to use it.
> But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be during regular class time.
> Caryl
>
> From: dave at lab6.com
> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
> To: sdaly.be at gmail.com
> CC: laura at somosazucar.org; cbigenho at hotmail.com; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
>
> Hi
> Okay cool.
> Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.
>
> My next question:
> Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a school/classroom setting"?
> Cheers
> Dave
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> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:18:03 -0400
> From: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
> To: Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>, iaep
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> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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> Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
> classes (and outside of classrooms too!) in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc
> at last?  At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay?
>
> Is Uruguay actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how?  Who can tell
> urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?
>
> Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
> beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
> "Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!
>
> http <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>://
> <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>wiki.laptop.org
> <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>/go/OLPC:Five_principles
> <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>
>
> Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and Margaret
> Mead) when we need them?!
> Hi Dave,
>
> At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is
> "mostly true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be
> during regular class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science
> club or robotics club. Other times students might be working together on
> some kind of media projects using the Sugar Software, etc. The
> possibilities are almost limitedless.
>
> In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the
> students are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at
> home to complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific
> research. Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or
> grandparents, teaching them how to use it.
>
> But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be
> during regular class time.
>
> Caryl
>
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> From: dave at lab6.com
> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
> To: sdaly.be at gmail.com
> CC: laura at somosazucar.org; cbigenho at hotmail.com; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
>
> Hi
>
> Okay cool.
>
> Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.
>
> My next question:
>
> Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
> school/classroom setting"?
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:14:48 -0400
> From: Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com>
> To: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
> Cc: Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>, iaep
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> Hi!
>
> On 23 April 2016 at 22:18, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
>> classes (and outside of classrooms too!)
>>
> Sure, its possible. Do you think its probable?
>
>> in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc at last?
>>
> Homes suggests "Child Ownership," and like schools, racking up many hours
> of usage; while libraries and cybercafes suggest to me racking up a few
> hours of gaming.
>
>> At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay? Is Uruguay
>> actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how?  Who can tell
>> urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?
>>
> Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
> ("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk with?
>
> If not, let's make such a table :)
>
> It isn't clear to me where these 3 million XOs went... I heard that OLPC
> didn't and won't make an easy to access list of all deployments available
> because they are scared about other companies taking away their customers.
> There seems to be enough published information to piece something like that
> together, though.
>
> Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
>> beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
>> "Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!
>>
>> http <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>://
>> <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>wiki.laptop.org
>> <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>/go/OLPC:Five_principles
>> <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>
>>
> Please could you clarify what you mean by "action" there?
>
> I understand those 5 principles were written some 10-12 years ago. I am not
> sure how much they are related to Sugar in 2016, or to the actual actions
> of OLPC itself over that period; it seems they quickly became OLCP's
> preferences.
>
> Child Ownership: It seems that most XO laptops were bought by schools and
> did not become 'owned' by the children using them, with some exceptions.
> Since Sugar Labs doesn't sell laptops, this is no longer relevant; and
> while I think SL should sell pre-installed laptops, I can't see how this
> could be a principle going forwards in recognition of
> schools/libraries/cybercafes/etc.
>
> Low Ages: It seems that XOs did become used by children aged 6 to 12. The
> keyboards are too small for anyone older ;) And Sugar's UX does seem to
> work for kids in this age range.
>
> Saturation: That wiki page offers levels of "a country, a region, a
> municipality or a village." Even with this caveat, I have no idea to what
> extend this is common in active deployments today; seems we need the table
> I describe above :) Since laptops/desktops are no longer the only form of
> computer that kids use, and indeed, probably now the minority form, then
> Sugar seems unlikely to have saturation even in a community where every kid
> has an XO.
>
> Connection: We have just been talking about how communities without
> effective internet access may be helpful to focus on, reversing this
> principle; although I think www.outernet.is provides a powerful solution to
> this which wasn't available until recently.
>
> Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
> software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems Sugar
> Labs only has a preference for this.
>
>> Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and
>> Margaret Mead) when we need them?!
>>
> Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves :D Making the table above is some
> effort. Starting simply, who reading this email is actually in touch with
> say a group of 10 or more kids with XOs?
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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