[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs

[samson goddy]

> From: cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 02:24:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs
> To: dave at lab6.com
> CC: samsongoddy at hotmail.com; sora at unleashkids.org; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org; samsongoddy at gmail.com; slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org; laura at somosazucar.org; cbigenho at hotmail.com; nicestep at gmail.com; tch at sugarlabs.org; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org; tim at timmoody.com
> 
> To many cc:s is getting this moderated.  Trying again.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I worked with Samson to refine a narrower proposal that has been
> > presented to the SLOB by email.  It is for the SLOB or Samson to
> > decide how / when to share it with the wider community.  It is for the
> > SLOB to determine the how / when of discussing the proposal.  I am
> > confident that all details will be public before any decision is
> > taken, I would characterize them as generally similar to previously
> > funded translation work, specific terms of which have been shared
> > previously.
> >
> > cjl
> >
> > cjl
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com> wrote:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> Its been 2 weeks since this thread was last updated; has anything else
> >> happened to move the proposal forward? Am I right that this will be decided
> >> on at the next SLOB meeting?
> >>
> >> Samson, some more questions below:
> >>
> >> On 6 April 2016 at 08:00, samson goddy <samsongoddy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   Thanks for the question Dave, Let me explain why the Yoruba came with
> >>> the price $6,000. Originally, The Yoruba come with a price of 1500 USD.
> >>> About the Internet plan in Nigeria is quite expensive. Like i told Tony,
> >>> getting a portable internet connection plus the device cost about $300 a
> >>> month.
> >>
> >>
> >> Which provider/offer is this? :)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I also explained that getting anything related to tech is also expensive
> >>> in Nigeria. For example getting an iphone6 plus might cost about $700-800 in
> >>> USA or amazon, with the current exchange rate of 200 Nigerian naira to 1
> >>> dollar doesn't make everything in Nigeria cheaper. To get that same phone in
> >>> Nigeria is about 250,000 naira here in Nigeria that about 1255.0225 US
> >>> Dollar, you see the difference. India or USA is not Nigeria these country
> >>> has a stable economy. You could do you research about Nigeria economy
> >>> currently and see for yourself.
> >>
> >>
> >> I understand - India is pretty similar to that :)
> >>
> >> Is the breakdown of the $6k something like this?
> >>
> >> $1,500 translation
> >> $  900 portable net @ $300/month x 3 months
> >> $3,600 laptops
> >>
> >> If there are other items, it seems the laptop is surely a larger item in the
> >> breakdown. So I wonder about the possibility of leasing/renting laptops. Eg
> >> I found http://xtramindsconcept.com.ng/laptops who advertise they leased a
> >> classroom of laptops to Google Nigeria. While that is in Lagos, I expect if
> >> you can visit a dozen computer repair shops, you could probably charm one of
> >> them to rent you some old stock for a good price.
> >>
> >> And there's also the 2nd hand market. Looking on olx.com I found a couple of
> >> nearly-new laptops for around USD$400 in Port Harcourt:
> >>
> >> https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/1-month-used-hp-pavilion-dv7-corei7-with-radeon-graphics-beat-audio-ID15HCC1.html
> >>
> >> https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/7months-old-hp-pavillion-for-sale-ID15I6yI.html
> >> (although you might also need that charm, "Carefully and softly used by a
> >> girl and so I wish a girl will also buy it" it says ;)
(That market "OLX" is not advisable, it a fraud place. They usually ask for 40% before they give you any goods. I was a victim before(9,000 Nigeria naira)  $45. There places where i can get used laptops.)
> >>
> >> I also find the $300/month mobile data cost high. How many Gb of data will
> >> you need?
> >>
> >> It seems that, new, its N15,000 ($USD75) for a hotspot wifi -
> >> http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/devices/portable-wifi-routers/ - and
> >> N5,000 (USD$25) for 5Gb of data -
> >> http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/data-plans/ - which can be doubled
> >> by working on a "campus" -
> >> http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/glo-campus-data-booster/ - and such
(As you can see it a campus data, i can't go to any university to browse.)
Glo is not a good choice for internet service in Nigeria. But "Etisalat" is. I intend to use smile https://smile.com.ng/product/unlimited-smifi/ because it faster and it has coverage more than the glo service. Glo only workshop effective in Lagos and not all places in Port Harcourt.
 
> >> hotspots can also be bought for around 1/3 of that price on olx.com
Fraud site!!!
> >>
> >> Finally, how many translators would be involved for the $1,500, which is
> >> spent over 12 weeks? :)
3 including me
> >>
> >>> "Can some of these XO laptops be recovered/recycled. The owners are now in
> >>> their late teens and probably wanting to use smartphones or standard
> >>> laptops. They may be willing to sell them for a relatively small amount
> >>> given that the local demand for XOs is probably negligible. These could be
> >>> refurbished and deployed either to support a local hackerspace or to supply
> >>> enough for one class at a local school."? yes they can. Those who don't want
> >>> to use the xo any more normally give them to their young ones to use.
> >>
> >>
> >> That's great! :)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "Finally, I think it would be cool to think about this funding as
> >>> investment, rather than just straight funding. You are going go through the
> >>> effort of finding people to translate, teaching them about Sugar, getting
> >>> new hardware for Sugar related projects, etc etc! It is a lot :) So, if you
> >>> do all that, I recommend thinking about how to use that built up energy and
> >>> value in a way that can move towards self-funding this kind of effort. For
> >>> example, offering workshops business model, because the risks can be
> >>> minimized and it can have low overheads, and there are several markets for
> >>> them - eg, offering sugar workshops to wealthier communities of parents who
> >>> are passionate about these languages; or, partnering with existing IT
> >>> training businesses."? Yes that is want i have in mind to do.

That is my plan
> >>
> >>
> >> :D
> >>
> >>>
> >>>  Yes i would create Sugar Labs workshops, in Port Harcourt probably in
> >>> other parts of Nigeria too. These workshop will bring more users to the
> >>> sugar community, uses the xo's, Sugar on stick, sugarizer. It will be a
> >>> whole new word for Nigerians. I already find partners  for the workshop. And
> >>> also i would really like if some one from Sugar Labs community will be
> >>> present too e.g like walter for Musics Blocks and Turtle art JS. Also most
> >>> of this questions you are answer is already been answered. I am spending a
> >>> lot of $ in cyber cafe. So i can't really answer all your questions. like i
> >>> said before SLOBs should invest in this proposal probably this April(i am
> >>> not forcing the issue) so that things can be done quicker. and i can be able
> >>> to start planing for workshops.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am not a SLOB (nor even am I a Member, yet :) but I would like to see
> >> that, even if the primary purpose of the funds is translation, that this
> >> proposal can catalyse the nigeria deployments "graduates" into contributors
> >> - hopefully long term.
> >>
> >> So I'd like to suggest that you add more of these ideas into the proposal
> >> document, so that it can be turned into a motion at the next SLOB meeting.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers
> >> Dave
 		 	   		  
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