[IAEP] Will anything change this time?

[Walter Bender]

Our next meeting is scheduled for 6 April.

Bernie gave me (and Samson, who agreed to help manage it) access to a
Google doc that is supposedly tied to the membership list in some way.
As far as requests, I am not certain I see all of them, although I
think since Bernie did his magic, I am started to see some of them.

regards.

-walter

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Sebastian Silva
<sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
> Anyway,
>
> I propose to set up again a tracker queue and direct the members alias to
> it, as well as the actual members of the membership and election committee.
>
> Once the board has confirmed the appointment, I will begin working on this
> with Infrastructure team in coordination with Caryl and any other volunteers
> who wish to join the effort.
>
> Do you have a board meeting scheduled?
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> El 14/03/15 a las 19:52, Sebastian Silva escibió:
>
> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> I used my shell account to have a look to /etc/aliases on sunjammer.
>
> Currently members at sugarlabs.org directs to the following persons:
>
> samsongoddy,
> walter,
> bernie
>
> It used to be the case that there was a Request Tracker queue for
> membership, but RT is no longer in use. I don't know when this was changed.
>
> I do hope membership applications have been processed.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> El 13/03/15 a las 08:49, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>
> Caryl and Sebastian,
> Looks like a plan.
> We can confirm that in the next SLOBs meeting.
> About members at sugarlabs.org, I don't know who manage that,
> maybe Bernie?
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to mention, we also need to get access to members at sugarlabs.org,
>> since I suspect new membership applications have gone stale for a long time
>> now. (see [1])
>>
>> [1]
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership
>>
>> El 10/03/15 a las 15:05, Sebastian Silva escibió:
>>
>> Hi Caryl,
>> Thanks for co-volunteering with me!
>>
>> As I see it, what needs to be done is:
>>     1- Tally up a list of current Sugar Members's emails (starting from
>> here)
>>     2- Setup a survey to ask if they want to stay active, voting members
>> (I propose to use the LimeSurvey software. Infrastructure team can set it up
>> and it's easy to use.)
>>     3- Get familiar with Selectricity, our current voting mechanism. Get
>> access to the voting machine.
>>     4- Improve the voting experience. For instance, en español
>> instructions are a must in this community.
>>     5- Determine in consensus when an election will take place.
>>
>> If we can be formally appointed, I'm certain you will be able to
>> contribute to every step of the process.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>> El 10/03/15 a las 14:18, Caryl Bigenho escibió:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will help, I'll
>> do the election. It can't be that much work. I have no conflicts of
>> interest. What would I need to do?
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> > From: laura at somosazucar.org
>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500
>> > To: sebastian at fuentelibre.org
>> > CC: iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
>> >
>> > Adam,
>> >
>> > To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love to my
>> > husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough skills and
>> > merit by myself.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Laura V
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>:
>> > > Well,
>> > > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here.
>> > >
>> > > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has
>> > > always
>> > > been/forever will be open for scrutiny.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió:
>> > >
>> > > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me,
>> > > how do
>> > > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife
>> > > running
>> > > for office, and himself running the election?
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva
>> > > <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes,
>> > >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email:
>> > >>
>> > >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct
>> > >> 2014.
>> > >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board,
>> > >> as
>> > >> per the governance model.
>> > >>
>> > >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Sebastian
>> > >>
>> > >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>> > >>
>> > >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections
>> > >> committee
>> > >> to replace Luke.
>> > >>
>> > >> Gonzalo
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender
>> > >> <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sebastian,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public
>> > >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the
>> > >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be
>> > >>> concrete in your proposal.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> regards.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -walter
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva
>> > >>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>> > >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the
>> > >>> > end
>> > >>> > of
>> > >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of
>> > >>> > seven
>> > >>> > (7)
>> > >>> > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar Membership. The
>> > >>> > positions
>> > >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The
>> > >>> > members of
>> > >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time
>> > >>> > by a
>> > >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or
>> > >>> > removal
>> > >>> > of a
>> > >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a
>> > >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections
>> > >>> > should
>> > >>> > not
>> > >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee.
>> > >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been
>> > >>> > discussed/announced to
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > Sugar Labs members.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with expired
>> > >>> > period
>> > >>> > would
>> > >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would
>> > >>> > be
>> > >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year,
>> > >>> > except no
>> > >>> > shortage).
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct
>> > >>> > 2014.
>> > >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the
>> > >>> > board, as
>> > >>> > per
>> > >>> > the governance model.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the
>> > >>> > gruntwork
>> > >>> > to run
>> > >>> > the election.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > accepted oversight board.
>> > >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow
>> > >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members :
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit]
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is
>> > >>> > reflective of
>> > >>> > the
>> > >>> > current status of the project and its participants, once a year
>> > >>> > members
>> > >>> > will
>> > >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs
>> > >>> > Member. If
>> > >>> > this
>> > >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it
>> > >>> > has
>> > >>> > been
>> > >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six
>> > >>> > months
>> > >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an
>> > >>> > invitation to
>> > >>> > reapply.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working
>> > >>> > with
>> > >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the
>> > >>> > election
>> > >>> > process.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Regards,
>> > >>> > Sebastian
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term
>> > >>> > replacements
>> > >>> > due to
>> > >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth
>> > >>> > amending
>> > >>> > them
>> > >>> > to include.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender
>> > >>> > <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>> > >>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer
>> > >>> >> candidates
>> > >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another
>> > >>> >> election at the end of 2015.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Regards.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> -walter
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas
>> > >>> >> <laura at somosazucar.org>
>> > >>> >> wrote:
>> > >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at
>> > >>> >> > that
>> > >>> >> > time...
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections when we have
>> > >>> >> > enough
>> > >>> >> > candidates.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need?
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>> > >>> >> > <godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas
>> > >>> >> >> <laura at somosazucar.org>
>> > >>> >> >> wrote:
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo,
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to
>> > >>> >> >>> me be
>> > >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with
>> > >>> >> >>> long
>> > >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have shown
>> > >>> >> >>> interest,
>> > >>> >> >>> like
>> > >>> >> >>> I have
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> Hi Laura,
>> > >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your candidature?
>> > >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only two
>> > >>> >> >> candidates to
>> > >>> >> >> fill 4
>> > >>> >> >> seats.
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>> Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids) we can
>> > >>> >> >>> run a
>> > >>> >> >>> democratic community soon!
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>> > >>> >> >>> <godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>> > >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian,
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the
>> > >>> >> >>> > deployments
>> > >>> >> >>> > confidential
>> > >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions without
>> > >>> >> >>> > naming the
>> > >>> >> >>> > deployment
>> > >>> >> >>> > involved.
>> > >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in
>> > >>> >> >>> > negotiation
>> > >>> >> >>> > with
>> > >>> >> >>> > countries will understand.
>> > >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware
>> > >>> >> >>> > with
>> > >>> >> >>> > X
>> > >>> >> >>> > software,
>> > >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure.
>> > >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive.
>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>> > >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the
>> > >>> >> >>> >> members
>> > >>> >> >>> >> fro
>> > >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs,
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>> > >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern?
>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>> > >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies.
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email.
>> > >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying
>> > >>> >> >>> > something
>> > >>> >> >>> > different.
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>> > >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community
>> > >>> >> >>> >> and
>> > >>> >> >>> >> teachers,
>> > >>> >> >>> >> like
>> > >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list.
>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>> > >>> >> >>> >> And?
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question.
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo
>> > >>> >> >>> >
>> > >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________
>> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > >>> >> >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>> --
>> > >>> >> >>> Laura V.
>> > >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>> > >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza
>> > >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >> >>> Happy Learning!
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> --
>> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard
>> > >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > --
>> > >>> >> > Laura V.
>> > >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>> > >>> >> > IRC kaametza
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Happy Learning!
>> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> > >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > >>> >> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > >>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> --
>> > >>> >> Walter Bender
>> > >>> >> Sugar Labs
>> > >>> >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> > >>> >> _______________________________________________
>> > >>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > >>> >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > >>> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > _______________________________________________
>> > >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Walter Bender
>> > >>> Sugar Labs
>> > >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Gonzalo Odiard
>> > >>
>> > >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Laura V.
>> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> >
>> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>> > IRC kaametza
>> >
>> > Happy Learning!
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
>
>
>
> --
> Gonzalo Odiard
>
> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep



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