[IAEP] Will anything change this time?

Sebastian Silva sebastian at fuentelibre.org
Sat Mar 14 21:05:59 EDT 2015


Anyway,

I propose to set up again a tracker queue and direct the members alias
to it, as well as the actual members of the membership and election
committee.

Once the board has confirmed the appointment, I will begin working on
this with Infrastructure team in coordination with Caryl and any other
volunteers who wish to join the effort.

Do you have a board meeting scheduled?

Regards,
Sebastian

El 14/03/15 a las 19:52, Sebastian Silva escibió:
> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> I used my shell account to have a look to /etc/aliases on sunjammer.
>
> Currently members at sugarlabs.org directs to the following persons:
>
> samsongoddy,
> walter,
> bernie
>
> It used to be the case that there was a Request Tracker queue for
> membership, but RT is no longer in use. I don't know when this was
> changed.
>
> I do hope membership applications have been processed.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> El 13/03/15 a las 08:49, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>> Caryl and Sebastian, 
>> Looks like a plan.
>> We can confirm that in the next SLOBs meeting.
>> About members at sugarlabs.org <mailto:members at sugarlabs.org>, I don't
>> know who manage that,
>> maybe Bernie?
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Sebastian Silva
>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Forgot to mention, we also need to get access to
>>     members at sugarlabs.org <mailto:members at sugarlabs.org>, since I
>>     suspect new membership applications have gone stale for a long
>>     time now. (see [1])
>>
>>     [1]
>>     http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership
>>
>>     El 10/03/15 a las 15:05, Sebastian Silva escibió:
>>>     Hi Caryl,
>>>     Thanks for co-volunteering with me!
>>>
>>>     As I see it, what needs to be done is:
>>>         1- Tally up a list of current Sugar Members's emails
>>>     (starting from here
>>>     <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List>)
>>>         2- Setup a survey to ask if they want to stay active, voting
>>>     members (I propose to use the LimeSurvey software.
>>>     Infrastructure team can set it up and it's easy to use.)
>>>         3- Get familiar with Selectricity, our current voting
>>>     mechanism. Get access to the voting machine.
>>>         4- Improve the voting experience. For instance, /en español
>>>     /instructions are a must in this community.
>>>         5- Determine in consensus /when/ an election will take place.
>>>
>>>     If we can be formally appointed, I'm certain you will be able to
>>>     contribute to every step of the process.
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Sebastian
>>>
>>>     El 10/03/15 a las 14:18, Caryl Bigenho escibió:
>>>>     Hi All
>>>>
>>>>     For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will
>>>>     help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have
>>>>     no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do?
>>>>
>>>>     Caryl
>>>>
>>>>     > From: laura at somosazucar.org <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>>>     > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500
>>>>     > To: sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>>>     > CC: iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Adam,
>>>>     >
>>>>     > To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love
>>>>     to my
>>>>     > husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough
>>>>     skills and
>>>>     > merit by myself.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Best wishes,
>>>>     > Laura V
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>     > 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva
>>>>     <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>:
>>>>     > > Well,
>>>>     > > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here.
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole
>>>>     process has always
>>>>     > > been/forever will be open for scrutiny.
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > > Regards,
>>>>     > > Sebastian
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió:
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine
>>>>     with me, how do
>>>>     > > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with
>>>>     his wife running
>>>>     > > for office, and himself running the election?
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva
>>>>     <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>>>     > > wrote:
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> Yes,
>>>>     > >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email:
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee
>>>>     since Oct 2014.
>>>>     > >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by
>>>>     the board, as
>>>>     > >> per the governance model.
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally.
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> Regards,
>>>>     > >> Sebastian
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the
>>>>     elections committee
>>>>     > >> to replace Luke.
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> Gonzalo
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender
>>>>     <walter.bender at gmail.com> <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>>     > >> wrote:
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>> Sebastian,
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We
>>>>     made public
>>>>     > >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want
>>>>     to ask the
>>>>     > >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try
>>>>     to be
>>>>     > >>> concrete in your proposal.
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>> regards.
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>> -walter
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva
>>>>     > >>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>>>     <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>>>>     > >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about
>>>>     election at the end
>>>>     > >>> > of
>>>>     > >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say:
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board,
>>>>     consisting of seven
>>>>     > >>> > (7)
>>>>     > >>> > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar
>>>>     Membership. The
>>>>     > >>> > positions
>>>>     > >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered
>>>>     basis. The
>>>>     > >>> > members of
>>>>     > >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at
>>>>     any time by a
>>>>     > >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the
>>>>     resignation or removal
>>>>     > >>> > of a
>>>>     > >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members
>>>>     shall elect a
>>>>     > >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight
>>>>     Board.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do
>>>>     elections should
>>>>     > >>> > not
>>>>     > >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee.
>>>>     > >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been
>>>>     discussed/announced to
>>>>     > >>> > the
>>>>     > >>> > Sugar Labs members.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with
>>>>     expired period
>>>>     > >>> > would
>>>>     > >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2
>>>>     candidates would be
>>>>     > >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last
>>>>     year, except no
>>>>     > >>> > shortage).
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee
>>>>     since Oct 2014.
>>>>     > >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role
>>>>     by the board, as
>>>>     > >>> > per
>>>>     > >>> > the governance model.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do
>>>>     the gruntwork
>>>>     > >>> > to run
>>>>     > >>> > the election.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members
>>>>     wish and the
>>>>     > >>> > accepted oversight board.
>>>>     > >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow
>>>>     > >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members :
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit]
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list
>>>>     is reflective of
>>>>     > >>> > the
>>>>     > >>> > current status of the project and its participants,
>>>>     once a year members
>>>>     > >>> > will
>>>>     > >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar
>>>>     Labs Member. If
>>>>     > >>> > this
>>>>     > >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied
>>>>     to after it has
>>>>     > >>> > been
>>>>     > >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address,
>>>>     and c) six
>>>>     > >>> > months
>>>>     > >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice
>>>>     with an
>>>>     > >>> > invitation to
>>>>     > >>> > reapply.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to
>>>>     begin working with
>>>>     > >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community
>>>>     about the election
>>>>     > >>> > process.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > Regards,
>>>>     > >>> > Sebastian
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió:
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term
>>>>     replacements
>>>>     > >>> > due to
>>>>     > >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something
>>>>     worth amending
>>>>     > >>> > them
>>>>     > >>> > to include.
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender
>>>>     > >>> > <walter.bender at gmail.com> <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>>     > >>> > wrote:
>>>>     > >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have
>>>>     fewer candidates
>>>>     > >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll
>>>>     run another
>>>>     > >>> >> election at the end of 2015.
>>>>     > >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> Regards.
>>>>     > >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> -walter
>>>>     > >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas
>>>>     <laura at somosazucar.org> <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>>>     > >>> >> wrote:
>>>>     > >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your
>>>>     intructions at that
>>>>     > >>> >> > time...
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections
>>>>     when we have enough
>>>>     > >>> >> > candidates.
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need?
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>>>     <godiard at sugarlabs.org> <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas
>>>>     > >>> >> >> <laura at somosazucar.org> <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>>>     > >>> >> >> wrote:
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections
>>>>     are going to me be
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board
>>>>     members with long
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have
>>>>     shown interest,
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> like
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> I have
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >> Hi Laura,
>>>>     > >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your
>>>>     candidature?
>>>>     > >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only
>>>>     two candidates to
>>>>     > >>> >> >> fill 4
>>>>     > >>> >> >> seats.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >> Gonzalo
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the
>>>>     kids) we can run a
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> democratic community soon!
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>>>     <godiard at sugarlabs.org> <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian,
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies
>>>>     from the
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > deployments
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > confidential
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions
>>>>     without naming the
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > deployment
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > involved.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody
>>>>     involved in negotiation
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > with
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > countries will understand.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number
>>>>     of hardware with
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > X
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > software,
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be
>>>>     naive.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting
>>>>     with all the
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> members
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> fro
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs,
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid)
>>>>     concern?
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc
>>>>     or email.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are
>>>>     trying
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > something
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > different.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the
>>>>     community and
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> teachers,
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> like
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >> And?
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
>>>>     project!)
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>     <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> --
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> Laura V.
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza
>>>>     > >>> >> >>>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>> Happy Learning!
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >> --
>>>>     > >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard
>>>>     > >>> >> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> > --
>>>>     > >>> >> > Laura V.
>>>>     > >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>>>     > >>> >> > IRC kaametza
>>>>     > >>> >> >
>>>>     > >>> >> > Happy Learning!
>>>>     > >>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
>>>>     project!)
>>>>     > >>> >> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>     <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > >>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>     > >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >>
>>>>     > >>> >> --
>>>>     > >>> >> Walter Bender
>>>>     > >>> >> Sugar Labs
>>>>     > >>> >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>     > >>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>     > >>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>     > >>> >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > >>> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>     > >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>> >
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>>
>>>>     > >>> --
>>>>     > >>> Walter Bender
>>>>     > >>> Sugar Labs
>>>>     > >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> --
>>>>     > >> Gonzalo Odiard
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> _______________________________________________
>>>>     > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>     > >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>     > >>
>>>>     > >> --
>>>>     > >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
>>>>     http://unleashkids.org !
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>     > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > >
>>>>     > > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>     > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>     > --
>>>>     > Laura V.
>>>>     > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>>>     > IRC kaametza
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Happy Learning!
>>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>     > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>     > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>     IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>     http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Gonzalo Odiard
>>
>> SugarLabs - Software for children learning 
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