[IAEP] Will anything change this time?
Sebastian Silva
sebastian at fuentelibre.org
Sat Mar 14 21:05:59 EDT 2015
Anyway,
I propose to set up again a tracker queue and direct the members alias
to it, as well as the actual members of the membership and election
committee.
Once the board has confirmed the appointment, I will begin working on
this with Infrastructure team in coordination with Caryl and any other
volunteers who wish to join the effort.
Do you have a board meeting scheduled?
Regards,
Sebastian
El 14/03/15 a las 19:52, Sebastian Silva escibió:
> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> I used my shell account to have a look to /etc/aliases on sunjammer.
>
> Currently members at sugarlabs.org directs to the following persons:
>
> samsongoddy,
> walter,
> bernie
>
> It used to be the case that there was a Request Tracker queue for
> membership, but RT is no longer in use. I don't know when this was
> changed.
>
> I do hope membership applications have been processed.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> El 13/03/15 a las 08:49, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>> Caryl and Sebastian,
>> Looks like a plan.
>> We can confirm that in the next SLOBs meeting.
>> About members at sugarlabs.org <mailto:members at sugarlabs.org>, I don't
>> know who manage that,
>> maybe Bernie?
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Sebastian Silva
>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to mention, we also need to get access to
>> members at sugarlabs.org <mailto:members at sugarlabs.org>, since I
>> suspect new membership applications have gone stale for a long
>> time now. (see [1])
>>
>> [1]
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership
>>
>> El 10/03/15 a las 15:05, Sebastian Silva escibió:
>>> Hi Caryl,
>>> Thanks for co-volunteering with me!
>>>
>>> As I see it, what needs to be done is:
>>> 1- Tally up a list of current Sugar Members's emails
>>> (starting from here
>>> <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List>)
>>> 2- Setup a survey to ask if they want to stay active, voting
>>> members (I propose to use the LimeSurvey software.
>>> Infrastructure team can set it up and it's easy to use.)
>>> 3- Get familiar with Selectricity, our current voting
>>> mechanism. Get access to the voting machine.
>>> 4- Improve the voting experience. For instance, /en español
>>> /instructions are a must in this community.
>>> 5- Determine in consensus /when/ an election will take place.
>>>
>>> If we can be formally appointed, I'm certain you will be able to
>>> contribute to every step of the process.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> El 10/03/15 a las 14:18, Caryl Bigenho escibió:
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will
>>>> help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have
>>>> no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do?
>>>>
>>>> Caryl
>>>>
>>>> > From: laura at somosazucar.org <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500
>>>> > To: sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>>> > CC: iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
>>>> >
>>>> > Adam,
>>>> >
>>>> > To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love
>>>> to my
>>>> > husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough
>>>> skills and
>>>> > merit by myself.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best wishes,
>>>> > Laura V
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva
>>>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>:
>>>> > > Well,
>>>> > > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole
>>>> process has always
>>>> > > been/forever will be open for scrutiny.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards,
>>>> > > Sebastian
>>>> > >
>>>> > > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine
>>>> with me, how do
>>>> > > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with
>>>> his wife running
>>>> > > for office, and himself running the election?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva
>>>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Yes,
>>>> > >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee
>>>> since Oct 2014.
>>>> > >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by
>>>> the board, as
>>>> > >> per the governance model.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Regards,
>>>> > >> Sebastian
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the
>>>> elections committee
>>>> > >> to replace Luke.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Gonzalo
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender
>>>> <walter.bender at gmail.com> <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Sebastian,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We
>>>> made public
>>>> > >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want
>>>> to ask the
>>>> > >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try
>>>> to be
>>>> > >>> concrete in your proposal.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> regards.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> -walter
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva
>>>> > >>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>>> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>>>> > >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about
>>>> election at the end
>>>> > >>> > of
>>>> > >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say:
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board,
>>>> consisting of seven
>>>> > >>> > (7)
>>>> > >>> > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar
>>>> Membership. The
>>>> > >>> > positions
>>>> > >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered
>>>> basis. The
>>>> > >>> > members of
>>>> > >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at
>>>> any time by a
>>>> > >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the
>>>> resignation or removal
>>>> > >>> > of a
>>>> > >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members
>>>> shall elect a
>>>> > >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight
>>>> Board.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do
>>>> elections should
>>>> > >>> > not
>>>> > >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee.
>>>> > >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been
>>>> discussed/announced to
>>>> > >>> > the
>>>> > >>> > Sugar Labs members.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with
>>>> expired period
>>>> > >>> > would
>>>> > >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2
>>>> candidates would be
>>>> > >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last
>>>> year, except no
>>>> > >>> > shortage).
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee
>>>> since Oct 2014.
>>>> > >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role
>>>> by the board, as
>>>> > >>> > per
>>>> > >>> > the governance model.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do
>>>> the gruntwork
>>>> > >>> > to run
>>>> > >>> > the election.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members
>>>> wish and the
>>>> > >>> > accepted oversight board.
>>>> > >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow
>>>> > >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members :
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit]
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list
>>>> is reflective of
>>>> > >>> > the
>>>> > >>> > current status of the project and its participants,
>>>> once a year members
>>>> > >>> > will
>>>> > >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar
>>>> Labs Member. If
>>>> > >>> > this
>>>> > >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied
>>>> to after it has
>>>> > >>> > been
>>>> > >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address,
>>>> and c) six
>>>> > >>> > months
>>>> > >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice
>>>> with an
>>>> > >>> > invitation to
>>>> > >>> > reapply.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to
>>>> begin working with
>>>> > >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community
>>>> about the election
>>>> > >>> > process.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > Regards,
>>>> > >>> > Sebastian
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió:
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term
>>>> replacements
>>>> > >>> > due to
>>>> > >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something
>>>> worth amending
>>>> > >>> > them
>>>> > >>> > to include.
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender
>>>> > >>> > <walter.bender at gmail.com> <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>>> > >>> > wrote:
>>>> > >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have
>>>> fewer candidates
>>>> > >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll
>>>> run another
>>>> > >>> >> election at the end of 2015.
>>>> > >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> Regards.
>>>> > >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> -walter
>>>> > >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas
>>>> <laura at somosazucar.org> <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>>> > >>> >> wrote:
>>>> > >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your
>>>> intructions at that
>>>> > >>> >> > time...
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections
>>>> when we have enough
>>>> > >>> >> > candidates.
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need?
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>>> <godiard at sugarlabs.org> <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas
>>>> > >>> >> >> <laura at somosazucar.org> <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>>> > >>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections
>>>> are going to me be
>>>> > >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board
>>>> members with long
>>>> > >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have
>>>> shown interest,
>>>> > >>> >> >>> like
>>>> > >>> >> >>> I have
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >> Hi Laura,
>>>> > >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your
>>>> candidature?
>>>> > >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only
>>>> two candidates to
>>>> > >>> >> >> fill 4
>>>> > >>> >> >> seats.
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the
>>>> kids) we can run a
>>>> > >>> >> >>> democratic community soon!
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>>> <godiard at sugarlabs.org> <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian,
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies
>>>> from the
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > deployments
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > confidential
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions
>>>> without naming the
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > deployment
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > involved.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody
>>>> involved in negotiation
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > with
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > countries will understand.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number
>>>> of hardware with
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > X
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > software,
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be
>>>> naive.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting
>>>> with all the
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> members
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> fro
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs,
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid)
>>>> concern?
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc
>>>> or email.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are
>>>> trying
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > something
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > different.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the
>>>> community and
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> teachers,
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> like
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >> And?
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo
>>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
>>>> project!)
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> --
>>>> > >>> >> >>> Laura V.
>>>> > >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>>> > >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza
>>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>>> > >>> >> >>> Happy Learning!
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >> --
>>>> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard
>>>> > >>> >> >>
>>>> > >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> > --
>>>> > >>> >> > Laura V.
>>>> > >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>>> > >>> >> > IRC kaametza
>>>> > >>> >> >
>>>> > >>> >> > Happy Learning!
>>>> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
>>>> project!)
>>>> > >>> >> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > >>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>> > >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >>
>>>> > >>> >> --
>>>> > >>> >> Walter Bender
>>>> > >>> >> Sugar Labs
>>>> > >>> >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > >>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> > >>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>> > >>> >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > >>> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>> > >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> --
>>>> > >>> Walter Bender
>>>> > >>> Sugar Labs
>>>> > >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> --
>>>> > >> Gonzalo Odiard
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> _______________________________________________
>>>> > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>> > >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> --
>>>> > >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
>>>> http://unleashkids.org !
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>>> > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>> > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>>> > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>> > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Laura V.
>>>> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>>> >
>>>> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>>> > IRC kaametza
>>>> >
>>>> > Happy Learning!
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gonzalo Odiard
>>
>> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
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