[IAEP] Will anything change this time?
Sebastian Silva
sebastian at fuentelibre.org
Sat Mar 14 20:52:34 EDT 2015
Hi Gonzalo,
I used my shell account to have a look to /etc/aliases on sunjammer.
Currently members at sugarlabs.org directs to the following persons:
samsongoddy,
walter,
bernie
It used to be the case that there was a Request Tracker queue for
membership, but RT is no longer in use. I don't know when this was changed.
I do hope membership applications have been processed.
Regards,
Sebastian
El 13/03/15 a las 08:49, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
> Caryl and Sebastian,
> Looks like a plan.
> We can confirm that in the next SLOBs meeting.
> About members at sugarlabs.org <mailto:members at sugarlabs.org>, I don't
> know who manage that,
> maybe Bernie?
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Sebastian Silva
> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>> wrote:
>
> Forgot to mention, we also need to get access to
> members at sugarlabs.org <mailto:members at sugarlabs.org>, since I
> suspect new membership applications have gone stale for a long
> time now. (see [1])
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership
>
> El 10/03/15 a las 15:05, Sebastian Silva escibió:
>> Hi Caryl,
>> Thanks for co-volunteering with me!
>>
>> As I see it, what needs to be done is:
>> 1- Tally up a list of current Sugar Members's emails
>> (starting from here
>> <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List>)
>> 2- Setup a survey to ask if they want to stay active, voting
>> members (I propose to use the LimeSurvey software. Infrastructure
>> team can set it up and it's easy to use.)
>> 3- Get familiar with Selectricity, our current voting
>> mechanism. Get access to the voting machine.
>> 4- Improve the voting experience. For instance, /en español
>> /instructions are a must in this community.
>> 5- Determine in consensus /when/ an election will take place.
>>
>> If we can be formally appointed, I'm certain you will be able to
>> contribute to every step of the process.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>> El 10/03/15 a las 14:18, Caryl Bigenho escibió:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will
>>> help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have
>>> no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do?
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>
>>> > From: laura at somosazucar.org <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500
>>> > To: sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>> > CC: iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
>>> >
>>> > Adam,
>>> >
>>> > To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love to my
>>> > husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough
>>> skills and
>>> > merit by myself.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> > Laura V
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva
>>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>:
>>> > > Well,
>>> > > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here.
>>> > >
>>> > > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole
>>> process has always
>>> > > been/forever will be open for scrutiny.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Sebastian
>>> > >
>>> > > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió:
>>> > >
>>> > > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine
>>> with me, how do
>>> > > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with
>>> his wife running
>>> > > for office, and himself running the election?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva
>>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Yes,
>>> > >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee
>>> since Oct 2014.
>>> > >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by
>>> the board, as
>>> > >> per the governance model.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regards,
>>> > >> Sebastian
>>> > >>
>>> > >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the
>>> elections committee
>>> > >> to replace Luke.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Gonzalo
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender
>>> <walter.bender at gmail.com> <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Sebastian,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We
>>> made public
>>> > >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want
>>> to ask the
>>> > >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be
>>> > >>> concrete in your proposal.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> regards.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> -walter
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva
>>> > >>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>> <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>>> > >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about
>>> election at the end
>>> > >>> > of
>>> > >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say:
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board,
>>> consisting of seven
>>> > >>> > (7)
>>> > >>> > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar
>>> Membership. The
>>> > >>> > positions
>>> > >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered
>>> basis. The
>>> > >>> > members of
>>> > >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at
>>> any time by a
>>> > >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the
>>> resignation or removal
>>> > >>> > of a
>>> > >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members
>>> shall elect a
>>> > >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight
>>> Board.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do
>>> elections should
>>> > >>> > not
>>> > >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee.
>>> > >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been
>>> discussed/announced to
>>> > >>> > the
>>> > >>> > Sugar Labs members.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with
>>> expired period
>>> > >>> > would
>>> > >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2
>>> candidates would be
>>> > >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last
>>> year, except no
>>> > >>> > shortage).
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee
>>> since Oct 2014.
>>> > >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role
>>> by the board, as
>>> > >>> > per
>>> > >>> > the governance model.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do
>>> the gruntwork
>>> > >>> > to run
>>> > >>> > the election.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members
>>> wish and the
>>> > >>> > accepted oversight board.
>>> > >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow
>>> > >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members :
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit]
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list
>>> is reflective of
>>> > >>> > the
>>> > >>> > current status of the project and its participants, once
>>> a year members
>>> > >>> > will
>>> > >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar
>>> Labs Member. If
>>> > >>> > this
>>> > >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to
>>> after it has
>>> > >>> > been
>>> > >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address,
>>> and c) six
>>> > >>> > months
>>> > >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice
>>> with an
>>> > >>> > invitation to
>>> > >>> > reapply.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to
>>> begin working with
>>> > >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community
>>> about the election
>>> > >>> > process.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Regards,
>>> > >>> > Sebastian
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió:
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term
>>> replacements
>>> > >>> > due to
>>> > >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something
>>> worth amending
>>> > >>> > them
>>> > >>> > to include.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender
>>> > >>> > <walter.bender at gmail.com> <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>> > >>> > wrote:
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have
>>> fewer candidates
>>> > >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll
>>> run another
>>> > >>> >> election at the end of 2015.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> Regards.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> -walter
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas
>>> <laura at somosazucar.org> <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>> > >>> >> wrote:
>>> > >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your
>>> intructions at that
>>> > >>> >> > time...
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections when
>>> we have enough
>>> > >>> >> > candidates.
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need?
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>> <godiard at sugarlabs.org> <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas
>>> > >>> >> >> <laura at somosazucar.org> <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>
>>> > >>> >> >> wrote:
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are
>>> going to me be
>>> > >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board
>>> members with long
>>> > >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have
>>> shown interest,
>>> > >>> >> >>> like
>>> > >>> >> >>> I have
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >> Hi Laura,
>>> > >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your
>>> candidature?
>>> > >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only
>>> two candidates to
>>> > >>> >> >> fill 4
>>> > >>> >> >> seats.
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>> Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids)
>>> we can run a
>>> > >>> >> >>> democratic community soon!
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>> <godiard at sugarlabs.org> <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>>> > >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian,
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies
>>> from the
>>> > >>> >> >>> > deployments
>>> > >>> >> >>> > confidential
>>> > >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions
>>> without naming the
>>> > >>> >> >>> > deployment
>>> > >>> >> >>> > involved.
>>> > >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody involved
>>> in negotiation
>>> > >>> >> >>> > with
>>> > >>> >> >>> > countries will understand.
>>> > >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number
>>> of hardware with
>>> > >>> >> >>> > X
>>> > >>> >> >>> > software,
>>> > >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure.
>>> > >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive.
>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting
>>> with all the
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> members
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> fro
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs,
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern?
>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies.
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc
>>> or email.
>>> > >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are
>>> trying
>>> > >>> >> >>> > something
>>> > >>> >> >>> > different.
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the
>>> community and
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> teachers,
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> like
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list.
>>> > >>> >> >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>> >> And?
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question.
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo
>>> > >>> >> >>> >
>>> > >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
>>> project!)
>>> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > >>> >> >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>> --
>>> > >>> >> >>> Laura V.
>>> > >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>> > >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza
>>> > >>> >> >>>
>>> > >>> >> >>> Happy Learning!
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >> --
>>> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard
>>> > >>> >> >>
>>> > >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> > --
>>> > >>> >> > Laura V.
>>> > >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>> > >>> >> > IRC kaametza
>>> > >>> >> >
>>> > >>> >> > Happy Learning!
>>> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>> > >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> > >>> >> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > >>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> --
>>> > >>> >> Walter Bender
>>> > >>> >> Sugar Labs
>>> > >>> >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> > >>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> > >>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> > >>> >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > >>> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> > >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
>>> > >>> Walter Bender
>>> > >>> Sugar Labs
>>> > >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Gonzalo Odiard
>>> > >>
>>> > >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> _______________________________________________
>>> > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> > >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @
>>> http://unleashkids.org !
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Laura V.
>>> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>> >
>>> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>> > IRC kaametza
>>> >
>>> > Happy Learning!
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>
>
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>
>
> --
> Gonzalo Odiard
>
> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
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