[IAEP] Will anything change this time?

[Gonzalo Odiard]

Thanks Caryl !!
That is what we need, volunteers.

Gonzalo


On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will help, I'll
> do the election. It can't be that much work. I have no conflicts of
> interest. What would I need to do?
>
> Caryl
>
> > From: laura at somosazucar.org
> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500
> > To: sebastian at fuentelibre.org
> > CC: iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
>
> >
> > Adam,
> >
> > To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love to my
> > husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough skills and
> > merit by myself.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Laura V
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>:
> > > Well,
> > > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here.
> > >
> > > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has
> always
> > > been/forever will be open for scrutiny.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió:
> > >
> > > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me,
> how do
> > > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife
> running
> > > for office, and himself running the election?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva <
> sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Yes,
> > >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email:
> > >>
> > >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014.
> > >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board,
> as
> > >> per the governance model.
> > >>
> > >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
> > >>
> > >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections
> committee
> > >> to replace Luke.
> > >>
> > >> Gonzalo
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender <
> walter.bender at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Sebastian,
> > >>>
> > >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public
> > >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the
> > >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be
> > >>> concrete in your proposal.
> > >>>
> > >>> regards.
> > >>>
> > >>> -walter
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva
> > >>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
> > >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the
> end
> > >>> > of
> > >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of
> seven
> > >>> > (7)
> > >>> > members elected by the Sugar community--the Sugar Membership. The
> > >>> > positions
> > >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The
> > >>> > members of
> > >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time
> by a
> > >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or
> removal
> > >>> > of a
> > >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a
> > >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections
> should
> > >>> > not
> > >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee.
> > >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been
> discussed/announced to
> > >>> > the
> > >>> > Sugar Labs members.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with expired
> period
> > >>> > would
> > >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would
> be
> > >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year,
> except no
> > >>> > shortage).
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct
> 2014.
> > >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the
> board, as
> > >>> > per
> > >>> > the governance model.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the
> gruntwork
> > >>> > to run
> > >>> > the election.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and
> the
> > >>> > accepted oversight board.
> > >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow
> > >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members :
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit]
> > >>> >
> > >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is
> reflective of
> > >>> > the
> > >>> > current status of the project and its participants, once a year
> members
> > >>> > will
> > >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs
> Member. If
> > >>> > this
> > >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it
> has
> > >>> > been
> > >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six
> > >>> > months
> > >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an
> > >>> > invitation to
> > >>> > reapply.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working
> with
> > >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the
> election
> > >>> > process.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Regards,
> > >>> > Sebastian
> > >>> >
> > >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term
> replacements
> > >>> > due to
> > >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth
> amending
> > >>> > them
> > >>> > to include.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender
> > >>> > <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer
> candidates
> > >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another
> > >>> >> election at the end of 2015.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Regards.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> -walter
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas <
> laura at somosazucar.org>
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at
> that
> > >>> >> > time...
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections when we have
> enough
> > >>> >> > candidates.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need?
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <
> godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas
> > >>> >> >> <laura at somosazucar.org>
> > >>> >> >> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo,
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to
> me be
> > >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with
> long
> > >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have shown
> interest,
> > >>> >> >>> like
> > >>> >> >>> I have
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Hi Laura,
> > >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your candidature?
> > >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to
> > >>> >> >>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only two
> candidates to
> > >>> >> >> fill 4
> > >>> >> >> seats.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids) we can
> run a
> > >>> >> >>> democratic community soon!
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <
> godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
> > >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian,
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the
> > >>> >> >>> > deployments
> > >>> >> >>> > confidential
> > >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions without
> naming the
> > >>> >> >>> > deployment
> > >>> >> >>> > involved.
> > >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in
> negotiation
> > >>> >> >>> > with
> > >>> >> >>> > countries will understand.
> > >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware
> with
> > >>> >> >>> > X
> > >>> >> >>> > software,
> > >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure.
> > >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive.
> > >>> >> >>> >>
> > >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the
> > >>> >> >>> >> members
> > >>> >> >>> >> fro
> > >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs,
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> >>
> > >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern?
> > >>> >> >>> >>
> > >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies.
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email.
> > >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying
> > >>> >> >>> > something
> > >>> >> >>> > different.
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> >>
> > >>> >> >>> >>
> > >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and
> > >>> >> >>> >> teachers,
> > >>> >> >>> >> like
> > >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list.
> > >>> >> >>> >>
> > >>> >> >>> >> And?
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question.
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo
> > >>> >> >>> >
> > >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > >>> >> >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>> >> >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> --
> > >>> >> >>> Laura V.
> > >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> > >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> Happy Learning!
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> --
> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > --
> > >>> >> > Laura V.
> > >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> > >>> >> > IRC kaametza
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Happy Learning!
> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > >>> >> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> --
> > >>> >> Walter Bender
> > >>> >> Sugar Labs
> > >>> >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > >>> >> _______________________________________________
> > >>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > >>> >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > _______________________________________________
> > >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Walter Bender
> > >>> Sugar Labs
> > >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Gonzalo Odiard
> > >>
> > >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > >> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Laura V.
> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> >
> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> > IRC kaametza
> >
> > Happy Learning!
> > _______________________________________________
> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Gonzalo Odiard

SugarLabs - Software for children learning
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