[IAEP] Will anything change this time?

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi All
For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do?
Caryl

> From: laura at somosazucar.org
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500
> To: sebastian at fuentelibre.org
> CC: iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?
> 
> Adam,
> 
> To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love to my
> husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough skills and
> merit by myself.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Laura V
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>:
> > Well,
> > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here.
> >
> > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has always
> > been/forever will be open for scrutiny.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sebastian
> >
> > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió:
> >
> > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me, how do
> > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife running
> > for office, and himself running the election?
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes,
> >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email:
> >>
> >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014.
> >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as
> >> per the governance model.
> >>
> >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
> >>
> >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections committee
> >> to replace Luke.
> >>
> >> Gonzalo
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sebastian,
> >>>
> >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public
> >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the
> >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be
> >>> concrete in your proposal.
> >>>
> >>> regards.
> >>>
> >>> -walter
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva
> >>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
> >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the end
> >>> > of
> >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say:
> >>> >
> >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of seven
> >>> > (7)
> >>> > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar Membership. The
> >>> > positions
> >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The
> >>> > members of
> >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time by a
> >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or removal
> >>> > of a
> >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a
> >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board.
> >>> >
> >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections should
> >>> > not
> >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee.
> >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA.
> >>> >
> >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been discussed/announced to
> >>> > the
> >>> > Sugar Labs members.
> >>> >
> >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with expired period
> >>> > would
> >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would be
> >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year, except no
> >>> > shortage).
> >>> >
> >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014.
> >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as
> >>> > per
> >>> > the governance model.
> >>> >
> >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the gruntwork
> >>> > to run
> >>> > the election.
> >>> >
> >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and the
> >>> > accepted oversight board.
> >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow
> >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members :
> >>> >
> >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit]
> >>> >
> >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is reflective of
> >>> > the
> >>> > current status of the project and its participants, once a year members
> >>> > will
> >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs Member. If
> >>> > this
> >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it has
> >>> > been
> >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six
> >>> > months
> >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an
> >>> > invitation to
> >>> > reapply.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working with
> >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the election
> >>> > process.
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> > Sebastian
> >>> >
> >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió:
> >>> >
> >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term replacements
> >>> > due to
> >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth amending
> >>> > them
> >>> > to include.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender
> >>> > <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer candidates
> >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another
> >>> >> election at the end of 2015.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Regards.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -walter
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at that
> >>> >> > time...
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections when we have enough
> >>> >> > candidates.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas
> >>> >> >> <laura at somosazucar.org>
> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo,
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to me be
> >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with long
> >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have shown interest,
> >>> >> >>> like
> >>> >> >>> I have
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Hi Laura,
> >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your candidature?
> >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to
> >>> >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only two candidates to
> >>> >> >> fill 4
> >>> >> >> seats.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Gonzalo
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>  Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids) we can run a
> >>> >> >>> democratic community soon!
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
> >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian,
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the
> >>> >> >>> > deployments
> >>> >> >>> > confidential
> >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions without naming the
> >>> >> >>> > deployment
> >>> >> >>> > involved.
> >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in negotiation
> >>> >> >>> > with
> >>> >> >>> > countries will understand.
> >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware with
> >>> >> >>> > X
> >>> >> >>> > software,
> >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure.
> >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive.
> >>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the
> >>> >> >>> >> members
> >>> >> >>> >> fro
> >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs,
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern?
> >>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies.
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email.
> >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying
> >>> >> >>> > something
> >>> >> >>> > different.
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and
> >>> >> >>> >> teachers,
> >>> >> >>> >> like
> >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list.
> >>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >>> >> And?
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question.
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo
> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________
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> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> --
> >>> >> >>> Laura V.
> >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Happy Learning!
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > Laura V.
> >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> >>> >> > IRC kaametza
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Happy Learning!
> >>> >> > _______________________________________________
> >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> >>> >> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Walter Bender
> >>> >> Sugar Labs
> >>> >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
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> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
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> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Walter Bender
> >>> Sugar Labs
> >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gonzalo Odiard
> >>
> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> --
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> >
> >
> >
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> 
> -- 
> Laura V.
> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> 
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