[IAEP] Will anything change this time?

Sebastian Silva sebastian at fuentelibre.org
Tue Mar 10 14:31:16 EDT 2015


Well,
It's 2015 and we are all hackers here.

Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has
always been/forever will be open for scrutiny.

Regards,
Sebastian

El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió:
> If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me,
> how do we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his
> wife running for office, and himself running the election?
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva
> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>> wrote:
>
>     Yes,
>     Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email:
>
>     /I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct
>     2014.//
>     //I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the
>     board, as per the governance model.//
>     ///
>     Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally.
>
>     Regards,
>     Sebastian
>
>     El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió:
>>     Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections
>>     committee
>>     to replace Luke.
>>
>>     Gonzalo
>>
>>     On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender
>>     <walter.bender at gmail.com <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Sebastian,
>>
>>         The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made
>>         public
>>         decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to
>>         ask the
>>         board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be
>>         concrete in your proposal.
>>
>>         regards.
>>
>>         -walter
>>
>>         On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva
>>         <sebastian at fuentelibre.org
>>         <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>> wrote:
>>         > Actually, the governance model says nothing about election
>>         at the end of
>>         > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say:
>>         >
>>         > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board,
>>         consisting of seven (7)
>>         > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar
>>         Membership. The positions
>>         > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered
>>         basis. The members of
>>         > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any
>>         time by a
>>         > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the
>>         resignation or removal of a
>>         > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall
>>         elect a
>>         > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board.
>>         >
>>         > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do
>>         elections should not
>>         > reside with the board, but with the elections committee.
>>         > Aparently lfaraone is MIA.
>>         >
>>         > At any rate this course of events should've been
>>         discussed/announced to the
>>         > Sugar Labs members.
>>         >
>>         > It could've been expected, that the board members with
>>         expired period would
>>         > simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates
>>         would be
>>         > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last
>>         year, except no
>>         > shortage).
>>         >
>>         > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee
>>         since Oct 2014.
>>         > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by
>>         the board, as per
>>         > the governance model.
>>         >
>>         > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the
>>         gruntwork to run
>>         > the election.
>>         >
>>         > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members
>>         wish and the
>>         > accepted oversight board.
>>         > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow
>>         > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members :
>>         >
>>         > Currency assurance policy[edit]
>>         >
>>         > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is
>>         reflective of the
>>         > current status of the project and its participants, once a
>>         year members will
>>         > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs
>>         Member. If this
>>         > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to
>>         after it has been
>>         > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and
>>         c) six months
>>         > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with
>>         an invitation to
>>         > reapply.
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin
>>         working with
>>         > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment.
>>         >
>>         > I would like to hear more opinion from the community about
>>         the election
>>         > process.
>>         >
>>         > Regards,
>>         > Sebastian
>>         >
>>         > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió:
>>         >
>>         > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term
>>         replacements due to
>>         > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something
>>         worth amending them
>>         > to include.
>>         >
>>         > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender
>>         <walter.bender at gmail.com <mailto:walter.bender at gmail.com>>
>>         > wrote:
>>         >>
>>         >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer
>>         candidates
>>         >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run
>>         another
>>         >> election at the end of 2015.
>>         >>
>>         >> Regards.
>>         >>
>>         >> -walter
>>         >>
>>         >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas
>>         <laura at somosazucar.org <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>>
>>         >> wrote:
>>         >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your
>>         intructions at that
>>         >> > time...
>>         >> >
>>         >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D
>>         >> >
>>         >> >
>>         >> > According to your logic, we should run elections when we
>>         have enough
>>         >> > candidates.
>>         >> >
>>         >> >
>>         >> > How many additional candidates do we need?
>>         >> >
>>         >> >
>>         >> >
>>         >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>         <godiard at sugarlabs.org <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>>:
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas
>>         <laura at somosazucar.org <mailto:laura at somosazucar.org>>
>>         >> >> wrote:
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are
>>         going to me be
>>         >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board
>>         members with long
>>         >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have shown
>>         interest, like
>>         >> >>> I have
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >> Hi Laura,
>>         >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your
>>         candidature?
>>         >> >> You only needed add your name to
>>         >> >>
>>         http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only two
>>         candidates to
>>         >> >> fill 4
>>         >> >> seats.
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >> Gonzalo
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>>  Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids)
>>         we can run a
>>         >> >>> democratic community soon!
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard
>>         <godiard at sugarlabs.org <mailto:godiard at sugarlabs.org>>:
>>         >> >>> > Hi Sebastian,
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies from
>>         the deployments
>>         >> >>> > confidential
>>         >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions
>>         without naming the
>>         >> >>> > deployment
>>         >> >>> > involved.
>>         >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in
>>         negotiation
>>         >> >>> > with
>>         >> >>> > countries will understand.
>>         >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number of
>>         hardware with X
>>         >> >>> > software,
>>         >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure.
>>         >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive.
>>         >> >>> >>
>>         >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting with
>>         all the members
>>         >> >>> >> fro
>>         >> >>> >> SLOBs,
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> >>
>>         >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern?
>>         >> >>> >>
>>         >> >>> >> to discuss strategies.
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or
>>         email.
>>         >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are
>>         trying something
>>         >> >>> > different.
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> >>
>>         >> >>> >>
>>         >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the
>>         community and
>>         >> >>> >> teachers,
>>         >> >>> >> like
>>         >> >>> >> was proposed in this list.
>>         >> >>> >>
>>         >> >>> >> And?
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> > I don't understand the question.
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> > Gonzalo
>>         >> >>> >
>>         >> >>> > _______________________________________________
>>         >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop
>>         project!)
>>         >> >>> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
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>>         >> >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>> --
>>         >> >>> Laura V.
>>         >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>         >> >>> IRC kaametza
>>         >> >>>
>>         >> >>> Happy Learning!
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >> --
>>         >> >> Gonzalo Odiard
>>         >> >>
>>         >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning
>>         >> >
>>         >> >
>>         >> >
>>         >> > --
>>         >> > Laura V.
>>         >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>>         >> >
>>         >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>>         >> > IRC kaametza
>>         >> >
>>         >> > Happy Learning!
>>         >> > _______________________________________________
>>         >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>         >> > IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>         >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>         >>
>>         >>
>>         >>
>>         >> --
>>         >> Walter Bender
>>         >> Sugar Labs
>>         >> http://www.sugarlabs.org
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>>         >
>>         >
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>>
>>
>>         --
>>         Walter Bender
>>         Sugar Labs
>>         http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Gonzalo Odiard
>>
>>     SugarLabs - Software for children learning 
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