[IAEP] Sugar Numbers

[Gonzalo Odiard]

Really?

On January you wrote:

"I am following OLPC as part of a research paper on open source
organizations."

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2015-January/017152.html

Followed a thread with replies from different members of the community and
you finished with:

"Thank you for the information. It is interesting to study how projects
evolve and devolve over time."

I don't know what believe now.
Good luck with your research :)

Gonzalo


On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Dan Tenason <dan.tenason at mail.ru> wrote:

> I work as a researcher for a foundation which received a grant proposal
> for a laptop project. There were several issues which needed clarification.
> I suppose that can be seen as trolling.
>
> Thanks and good luck with you project.
>
>
> Friday, April 17, 2015 8:11 AM -03:00 from Gonzalo Odiard <
> godiard at sugarlabs.org>:
>
>   Dan,
>
> You was qualified as a troll because you said we should divide the 3M
> number by 10 and you assume we were deceiving.
>
> See the Wikipedia definition of troll:
> "In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
> discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by
> posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online
> community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the
> deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of
> otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3]"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
>
> You asked your question in a thread started to discuss how improve the
> content
> of sugarlabs.org site.
> The site was not updated on a time, then if is true a percentage of
> machines can be broken now,
> was not crazy correlate the number of machines sold with our software to
> number of users
> at the moment the site was created.
> But we also know there are cases where other hardware is used with Sugar,
> like here [1]
> and we know the numbers in Uruguay only, are more than 300.000 machines,
> then,
> your comment looks completely wrong.
>
> At times I also think we are "too optimistic", but we need optimism
> to work in a project like this. Don't assume bad intentions.
>
> The worst part is I have tried to start a discussion abut how to improve
> the web site,
> and instead of that we discuss about one line in the old web site,
> and do not have any proposal for improvement. And that is the effect of
> trolling,
> stop others and not add anything positive to the conversation.
>
> Everybody here can contribute in a different way: programming, testing,
> go to remote places and put solar panels in schools, write docs.
> But not everybody _want_ contribute.
>
> Gonzalo
>
> [1] http://www.fenix951.com.ar/nuevo_2013/noticia.php?id=4552
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Dan Tenason <dan.tenason at mail.ru
> <https://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adan.tenason@mail.ru>> wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I raised the question about how phrase three million daily
> users was calculated. The general line of thought in a thread on
> sugar-devel was we don't know but we think it is an optimistic figure based
> on the total number of laptops OLPC produced. Further analysis is hard and
> we can't be bothered to do it. Furthermore, anyone who questions the number
> is a troll.
>
> It would seem natural that an education project which promotes critical
> thinking would substantiate its own claims. If any organization tries  to
> bury the numbers, one should ask why they are doing so.
>
> --
> Dan Tenason
>
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Gonzalo Odiard

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