[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

Daniel Narvaez dwnarvaez at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 19:36:01 EDT 2013

Hi Anish,

that's interesting.

First impressions from a quick look. There isn't really much documentation
so I won't promise this is fully accurate :)

Ubuntu is running in a chroot on the top of a modified android kernel.
That's a bit of an hack and I wouldn't recommend it if we had to maintain
the thing. Though having a company, and another community, deal with the
mess makes it more viable.

They don't have X11 but apparently they ported gtk3 to mir. So at least gtk
activities should be fine. It's not possible to run Android applications
along linux ones but an OLPC like dual desktop thing might be possible in
the future.

I think this should be investigated. It might be possible to run Sugar on
it without major modifications.

On 13 April 2013 00:28, Anish Mangal <anish at sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Hi Daniel, et. al.,
> Do you think Ubuntu could be an (easier) option for sugar to piggyback
> upon...
> This is not a because-i-think-ubuntu-is-cool opinion, but testament to the
> fact that canonical have been working to get ubuntu running on tablets and
> smartphones.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
> Even I'm not sold on the idea, but I guess it should be part a discussion
> and research efforts concerning sugar's future.
> Best,
> Anish
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Narvaez <dwnarvaez at gmail.com>wrote:
>> On 12 April 2013 22:52, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The initial work seems very encouraging, yet it seems Sugar Labs doesn't
>>> currently have the resources to make an Android offer available anytime
>>> soon. But: now is the time. I believe fundraising is vital to achieve this
>>> goal, at the very least to facilitate face to face Sugar Camps for the
>>> community. I have ideas how to go about this, but I agree the community
>>> needs to be clear about where we are going. An Android offer would of
>>> course be of great interest to OLPC.
>> To be completely honest, I think a migration to HTML/Android is never
>> going to happen unless someone invests in it *and* the community rallies
>> around that effort.
>> Even a small team of experienced, full time developers could lay the
>> framework foundations. And then writing enough activities for the framework
>> to be of any interest would take a *lot* of work from the community.
>> But are there the conditions for that to happen?
>> There are also initiatives we could take to multiply the size of the
>>> community. In particular, support for the Raspberry Pi (which has topped 1
>>> million units in sales - half of these since September -, is shipped
>>> without an OS, and is arriving in junior high and high school computer
>>> science classes) could be an ideal "OEM" platform for Sugar.
>> I also see Raspberry PI as a tempting opportunity. Though I think there
>> is some conflict between trying to extend the reach of the current platform
>> and bootstrapping a new one.
>> I think it's important for people to understand that porting to Android
>> is not really porting but a full rewrite. We can reuse designs, artwork,
>> ideas and some of the experience we made so far, but no code at all.
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Daniel Narvaez
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