[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

[Dr. Gerald Ardito]

Walter,

Sounds good.
Thanks.
Gerald

P.S. And congratulations on the pending new arrival.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dr. Gerald Ardito
> <gerald.ardito at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Daniel and others,
>>
>> This thread has really inspired me. I am going to work with my
>> students to develop Sugar activities.
>> I have James' book. Are there other resources I need?
>
> I'd recommend using the Duplicate function in View Source. Have them
> make some changes to a favorite existing Sugar activity.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Gerald
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Kevin Mark <kevin.mark at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 9/19/12, S. Daniel Francis <francis at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: S. Daniel Francis <francis at sugarlabs.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
>>>> To: "Kevin Mark" <kevin.mark at verizon.net>
>>>> Cc: "James Simmons" <nicestep at gmail.com>, "iaep" <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, "Sugar-dev Devel" <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>, community-news at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:27 PM
>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> 2012/9/19 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark at verizon.net>:
>>>> > Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities
>>>> and more contributions, I'm really wanting to
>>>> > know what teaching environment made this possible?
>>>>
>>>> Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually
>>>> learn by our self.
>>>> Thinking about why Sugar, well, we could make desktop
>>>> applications,
>>>> but a free and decent way to share a program is difficult to
>>>> find and
>>>> there's not always a community where we can share what we
>>>> make.
>>>
>>> While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to address. "Scratch" has a website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help young sugar activity hacker have a place for them to 'hack' on their games/activities. Maybe Activities.sugarlabs.org or some website in .uy? And maybe a forum? (I'm not someone to do this sadly but would think that the very capable people around the sugar community would find this idea motivating)
>>>
>>>>  Also I
>>>> think Sugar needs activities, unlike desktops, where
>>>> practically all
>>>> is already made.
>>>>
>>>> Just Edward suggested us to tell our stories, but at the
>>>> moment I'll
>>>> not get into many details and only answer your questions.
>>>>
>>>> > Are there activity hacking classes?
>>>> In Uruguay there is only one activity hacking teacher:
>>>> Flavio Danesse.
>>>
>>> OH wow. I have recently started to 'hack' on JAMedia and JAMediaTube. So I know his work. I wonder if making videos of his lecture would be something he could do and the kids could watch?
>>>
>>>> He is an IT teacher, and every year he organizes a workshop
>>>> where he
>>>> teaches volunteer students to program in Python. The group
>>>> "Python
>>>> Joven", in English "Young Python"..
>>>
>>> If you and others can make 'clubs' in your area, that would be great, maybe they can setup a web 'forum' for everyone to exchange ideas.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Currently, his students contributing here are Agustin
>>>> Zubiaga and
>>>> Cristhofer Travieso, they told me about another student who
>>>> develops
>>>> applications for Android.
>>>>
>>>> > Is this kind of experimentation part of a turtleart
>>>> class?
>>>> For my part I can say "yes and no"... When I received my XO
>>>> with Sugar
>>>> I liked very much TurtleArt, but the teachers don't teach it
>>>> very
>>>> often, I had to look for documentation.
>>>
>>> Oh, that is sad, I'm surprised to read that.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Have kids 'goggled' about programming on their own time
>>>> and wanted to know about programming?
>>>> Now you are right, I learn practically all 'googling'.
>>>> Flavio's
>>>> students told me they also learn(ed) a big part of what they
>>>> know
>>>> searching and investigating by them self.
>>>> I think it's better because we can learn what we are
>>>> interested in,
>>>> also if it's not related with Sugar.
>>>
>>> yes that is true. learning what you want (being an auto-didact) is powerful.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Are there computer programming classes and teachers
>>>> that have assignments that ask the kids to explore?
>>>>
>>>> Programming is not often a subject at the school.
>>>> I know about optional workshops, like Flavio's. My parents
>>>> are
>>>> teachers, and about three-four years ago, when I was ten
>>>> years old, I
>>>> used to go to the highschool where my parents worked and I
>>>> listened to
>>>> a workshop about web design (basic HTML development) and
>>>> graphic
>>>> design (with GIMP). That workshop was not a way to get
>>>> young
>>>> programmers, but it removed me the fear of seeing a source
>>>> code as
>>>> something strange or made for be understood by non-human
>>>> people.
>>>
>>> Yes, many people have a fear of this 'scary' stuff. It something everyone who wants to learn about programming has to face. Turtleart and Scratch was suppose to help.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> ~danielf
>>>>
>>>> P.S: Sorry, I don't speak English very well.
>>>
>>> Thanks you very much for your answers. I think you write English very well!
>>> -Kevin aka kevix
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