[IAEP] [SLOBS] Local Labs motion

Holt holt at laptop.org
Fri Jun 1 09:54:24 EDT 2012

+1 to the motion adopting Tony's text.

Thanks for the hard work of so many.

On 6/1/2012 9:20 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Aleksey Lim<alsroot at sugarlabs.org>  wrote:
>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:50:12AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Aleksey Lim<alsroot at sugarlabs.org>  wrote:
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:13:26PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
>>>>> Buried in the meeting log [1] is a motion [5] to adopt three changes
>>>>> [2, 3, 4] to the Trademark [6] and Local Labs [7] pages in the wiki.
>>>>> The motion was seconded and we began a vote, but whereas it seemed to
>>>>> be a controversial decision, I though it prudent to ask those who were
>>>>> not able to attend today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting to also
>>>>> vote.
>>>>> So far,
>>>>> walter +1
>>>>> cjl +1
>>>>> icarito -1
>>>>> alsroot has not voted yet.
>>>> My purpose for not [yet, until making the situation clear] voting is
>>>> that I still don't see any difference between arguing sides, because
>>>> the only difference I see is that arguing sides are talking about
>>>> different subjects.
>>>> If I got it right, the conflict point is [4]. For me, it is clear that
>>>> it is *only* about legal cases (and even [4] is changing nothing because
>>>> it is exactly how community driven FOSS projects behave), i.e., where
>>>> SFC is providing services for SL. And actually it is 0.01% of all SL
>>>> work.
>>>> And if I'm right in my vision, the only problem lays in presenting
>>>> [6] [7] in proper light, i.e., avoid treating [6] and [7] by people as
>>>> a main policy regarding all possible relations between SL and SL labs
>>>> ([6] and [7] are only about legal/official relations and it is 0.01% of
>>>> all possible relations).
>>> I think your analysis is correct. The SFC is asking us to make changes
>>> to the language on our wiki to reflect the actual facts regarding the
>>> relationship between the project and the Conservancy. While we may
>>> quibble about the niceties of the wording, the facts don't change. I
>>> think the language is clear. There was one proposal made to change it,
>>> which the SFC rejected for reasons I need not repeat again here. I
>>> don't understand the need to discuss it further. In fact, in some
>>> ways, since we are discussing facts, not opinion, I am not sure that
>>> we have any role here other than to acknowledge the facts and to
>>> communicate clearly to our community what those facts are. I think the
>>> current language does that.
>>> Please cast your vote or abstain, as we need to bring this matter of
>>> fact to closure one way or another.
>> I hope it was clear what I was trying to say.
>>     my +1 for the [5]
>> And for sure, [5] should not go to [7] directly and go to, e.g.:
>>     http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs/Legal_treatment
>> because [7] is the start page for any LL related efforts, but [5] is very
>> specific matter and only for people who take care about legal treatment.
>>>>> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10
>>>>> [2] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739410
>>>>> [3] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739421
>>>>> [4] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739445
>>>>> [5] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739570
>>>>> [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark
>>>>> [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
>>>>> [8] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-05-30T21:08:10#i_2739707
>> --
>> Aleksey
> We've not heard from Adam, but nonetheless, the motion passes, 4 for,
> 2 against. I  will update the wiki ASAP.
> Regarding Icarito's proposal, since Tony was not happy with the
> language, it is moot.
> Of course, we will entertain additional motions for refining the text,
> but meanwhile, I suggest we invest effort in discussing New Co, which
> is  more liely to be able to accommodate some of the needs of local
> community groups.
> regards.
> -walter

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