[IAEP] [squeakland] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric

msevior@gmail.com msevior at gmail.com
Sun Feb 6 00:52:48 EST 2011


What about the world wide web?
That is usually credited to have been invented in 1990 at CERN.

Of course we all stand on the shoulders who have gone before us.

Martin sevior

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From: "Alan Kay" <alan.nemo at yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2011 6:11 am
Subject: [IAEP] [squeakland]  Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric
To: "Chunka Mui" <chunka at cornerloft.com>
Cc: "voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes" <olpc-sur at lists.laptop.org>, "squeakland.org mailing list" <squeakland at squeakland.org>, "america-latina at squeakland.org" <america-latina at squeakland.org>, "Carlos Rabassa" <carnen at mac.com>, "Maho 2010" <maho at realness.org>, "olpc bolivia" <olpc-bolivia at lists.laptop.org>, "IAEP SugarLabs" <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>, "OLPC Puno" <olpcpuno at gmail.com>


Hi Chunka,

I've been challenged on this point more than once, and have challenged back to 
come up  with one invention that was done after 1980 that matches up to the top  
10 done before 1980. 


This has not happened. I've been able to show the prior art for all suggestions.

Essentially everything in the last 30 years has been commercializations  and 
other forms of "innovation" based on what was funded by ARPA, ONR,  and by 
extension, Xerox in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

The important point here is that there are many new inventions needed,  and they 
can be identified, but no one has been willing to fund them.  It's not that the 
early birds got the worms, but that most of the needed worms  out there are 
being missed.

Cheers,

Alan



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From: Chunka Mui <chunka at cornerloft.com>
To: Alan Kay <alan.nemo at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric




On Jan 30, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Alan Kay <alan.nemo at yahoo.com> wrote:


GE is being congratulated for recognizing that the iPhone and iPad are pretty 
good ideas and technological realizations. But isn't this like the 
congratulations Bill Gates got for finally recognizing the Internet (about 25 
years after it had started working)?
>
>Seems as though Apple had a lot more on the ball than Bill Gates or GE here 
>(they used to do computing in the 60s, but couldn't see what it was).
>
>And most of the ideas at Apple (and for personal computing and the Internet) 
>came from research funding that no company or government has been willing to do 
>since 1982.
>


Alan -- Could you say more about this point?  Surely there's been tons of CS and 
IT funding since '82, both govt funding to universities and massive research 
budgets at msft, hp, 

Regards,
Chunka


Cheers,
>
>Alan
>
>
>
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>We try to learn from those who have succeed for a long time:
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