[IAEP] food for thought...

[Sean Linton]

OK, not even wrong. That sounds like an awful lot of potential.
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On 28 August 2011 16:12, <mokurai at earthtreasury.org> wrote:

> Sorry, Sean, but as Wolfgang Pauli used to say, "Not even wrong."
>
> On Thu, August 25, 2011 6:19 pm, Sean Linton wrote:
> > Perhaps recently the culture of mathematics education, at least since
> > Newton's *Principia *
>
> Euclid's Elements, please. Principia is a book of physics, not math, and
> you are late by two millennia. Newton's full title is Mathematical
> Principles of Natural Philosophy.
>
> > has been just that, *principles* handed down
> > a perceived hierarchy, from a *prince*. May be based on
> > genuinely useful descriptions and definitions, but as the Garfunkel
> > article
> > in the NYTimes suggests not really reflective of the pan-archy in which
> we
> > find ourselves today, where many types of mathematical skill set need to
> > be
> > acknowledged for our inter-networked society.
>
> See
>
> http://replacingtextbooks.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/what-do-mathematicians-and-scientists-do-all-day/
>
> > A better mathematics education might involve less "abstract reasoning",
> > but
> > also generally less heralding by teachers of untestable *principles* to
> > students who are not yet equipped to decide for themselves. Let the
> > children
> > decide in what way a mathematical concept is a useful description by
> > building implicitly ('abstract', 'reason', 'energy',  . . . concepts
> which
> > bind things together; *Ratio Legis*) from the ground up, *Ã * la
> > Bronowski's
> > *The Ascent of Man *for example.
>
> No thank you. A fine expositor, Bronowski, but not for primary school
> children. Jean Piaget is your man for unraveling how children come to form
> mathematical ideas. Hint: Not like grownups, and even less as grownups
> imagine.
>
> > Describe before you prescribe . . . or
> > ascribe to George Bush a *principle* of *punishing failure* to pass
> > standard tests?
>
> ???
>
> See http://samanthadouglas.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/give-100-percent/
>
> > Who or what was Math anyway that ¡ all the children in the world !
> really
> > need to be doing his home work every night?
>
> ???
>
> Sour grapes?
>
> What mean all these mysteries to me
> Whose life is full of indices and surds?
> x²+7x+53
> = 11/3
>
> Lewis Carroll, A Tangled Tale
>
> > ; D
>
> ;<{Þ}}}
>
> ...Euclid alone
> Has looked on beauty bare. Fortunate they,
> Who though once only, and then but far away
> Have heard her massive sandal set on stone.
>
> Edna St. Vincent Millay
>
> > XO
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On 26 August 2011 09:19, Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan,
> >>
> >> Okay, I'll bite, I can see how you believe the "standard curriculum" is
> >> way
> >> off, but what part of their proposed solution do you disagree with and
> >> where
> >> do you see as the preferred paths?"
> >>
> >> In particular in the article they state "*Science and math were
> >> originally
> >> discovered together, and they are best learned together now." which I
> >> assume
> >> you agree with based on past writings.*
> >>
> >> I can see how you might disagree that learning Latin has no value (I
> >> have
> >> learned a lot from attempting to learn smalltalk).
> >>
> >> My fear in what the authors suggest is that the "real world" problems
> >> will
> >> be like what I saw in 1902 textbook Algebra Text by
> >> Milne<
> http://books.google.com/books?id=DhU4AAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22William+James+Milne%22&hl=en&ei=27VWTvfzIqjd0QGLo6DRDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-preview-link&resnum=5&ved=0CEEQuwUwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
> >
> >>   which I found in an ice cream shop on Cape Cod (I only go to the best
> >> ice cream shoppes ;)  The book was filled with "real world" problems
> >> (and
> >> little visualizations or age appropriate concrete tasks/objects kids
> >> could
> >> relate to) for ex:
> >> [image:
> >>
> books?id=DhU4AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA356&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U1k1CWXvlkhypODoZuTWebG14bH1Q&ci=93%2C458%2C873%2C105&edge=0]
> >>
> >> I look forward to your response, the destruction of my existing beliefs
> >> and
> >> being freed to learn :)
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Alan Kay <alan.nemo at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Walter
> >>>
> >>> As with a number of other issues in education, I strongly disagree with
> >>> both of the main opposing sides. Both the standard curriculum, and
> >>> these
> >>> guys, are way off IMO.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> >>> *To:* iaep <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:47 AM
> >>> *Subject:* [IAEP] food for thought...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/opinion/how-to-fix-our-math-education.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
> >>>
> >>> -walter
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Walter Bender
> >>> Sugar Labs
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