[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets

[Yoshiki Ohshima]

At Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:55:59 -0400,
Erik Blankinship wrote:
> 
> Before completely dismissing the mac ppc architecture, it is noteworthy that the platform has a bright retrograde future
> in tablets.
> http://blogger-off.com/apple-powerbook-g4-12-tablet/

  Yup.  A lesson we learned is that locking ourselves into one
particular processor or OS is not a good idea, and trying to predict
the particularity of future platforms is not going to work.  Make
things truly portable and adapt whenever a new thing come out is the
right strategy.

  As Caryl pointed out, Etoys is designed to achieve this.  A small
self-contained virtualized environment that has very little external
dependency seems to be a way to go.

  JavaScript on DOM may be good, and probably the key is to implement
DOM in JavaScript so that it is portable to platforms with a
JavaScript engine (along the idea of Dan Amelang) and perhaps write
the grpahics engine also.

http://github.com/damelang/mico/

Experimental version of Lively Kernel worked on it, so it may be a
good direction to pursue...

-- Yoshiki

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     PPC on Mac is also, unfortunately, a platform with no future, the last
>     machine having been manufactured in 2005. It's a tribute to Apple's
>     hardware quality that many are still around (I have G3s, G4s and G5s
>     still going strong, including one of the latter duals maxed out with 8
>     Gb of RAM and 6 Tb of onboard disk) but the most recent MacOS (10.6)
>     does not run on them, nor does any version of VirtualBox.
>    
>     Sean
> 
>     On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org> wrote:
>     > Caryl,
>     > Running Sugar in any machine is not free, we must invest many,many,  hours
>     > of work, and the complexity of the plataform is increased.
>     > We need select out targets, we don't have infinite resources.
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Gonzalo
>     >
>     > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> I haven't run Android on anything since I took my Android phone back to
>     >> Verizon after trying and not liking it for a few days a couple of years ago.
>     >> I am talking about running Sugar using whatever method can be devised. The
>     >> easier the better!
>     >> I have run Strawberry and Blueberry in a Virtual Box on my MacBook, but
>     >> not without problems. I haven't tried the VB on the PowerBook I gave my
>     >> husband after replacing the defunct hard drive and getting a new MacBook (no
>     >> longer new ;-( . I have been able to run EToys to Go on both of them as well
>     >> as an eeePC I bought so I could experiment with these things. Etoys project
>     >> files transfer seamlessly between all three of these machines. My dream
>     >> situation would be to have Sugar work the same way.
>     >> Caryl
>     >>
>     >> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:23:02 -0400
>     >> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Exploring Sugar-on-Tablets
>     >> > From: cscott at laptop.org
>     >> > To: martin.langhoff at gmail.com
>     >> > CC: cbigenho at hotmail.com; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org;
>     >> > sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org; pbrobinson at gmail.com
>     >> >
>     >> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Martin Langhoff
>     >> > <martin.langhoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
>     >> > > wrote:
>     >> > >> PCs and Linux machines yes. But... there still lots of issues with
>     >> > >> Macs and
>     >> > >> so far it does not work with the older G4 Power PC Macs (EToys to go
>     >> > >> does!).
>     >> > >
>     >> > > Does Android run on your G4 PPC Mac?? Or is this all random talk?
>     >> >
>     >> > This week's work (Sugar-on-Chrome) provides a much better story for
>     >> > desktop compatibility.
>     >> > --scott
>     >>
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