[IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 30, Issue 21 Message: 2, Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:00:54 +1200, From: Tabitha Roder <tabitha at tabitha.net.nz> virtual box install

[Thomas C Gilliard]

 IAEP Digest, Vol 30, Issue 21

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>    1. Re: FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Versi?n 1) (James Simmons)
>    2. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Tabitha Roder)
>    3. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Tim McNamara)
>    4. Text to Speech in other Activities (was Re: FW:
>       [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Version 1)) (Tim McNamara)
>    5. Re: [SoaS]   [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Caryl Bigenho)
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> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:00:54 +1200
> From: Tabitha Roder <tabitha at tabitha.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
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> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions
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>> If we support VIrtualBox we
>> should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going
>> to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a
>> single image.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>     
> I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes
> from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve
> this problem.
>
> I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it.
> I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers
> I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or
> something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who
> knows?) and they generally also keep a geek nearby to help them along. My
> designer type friends who use Macs know what Virtualbox is and will give
> most things a go on the computer, but also have needed geek help with Sugar
> installs.
>
> Here is what the scenario looks like to me, the teacher:
> You download Virtualbox (easy) and you download the Sugar image that lets
> you "try before you buy" (easy). You feel fantastic that you have managed
> this all by yourself without your geeky friend helping. You play happily for
> a few hours. Next day you want to show someone else what you have done all
> by yourself. You then realise you have done something wrong in setting up
> your Sugar, as it gives you a fresh Sugar and loses all your work and
> downloaded activities each time you restart.
start virtual box
create new appliance
select settings and select sugar cd or iso as CD
boot order cd, hd
start
CD boots in Virtualbox:
use liveinst (Anaconda) in terminal (root) to install to the default 8 
GB HD you created on building the Virtual Machine
liveinst
(Anaconda screen appears)
foreward (choose; time zone;root password, * Use whole disk
install
when finished  reboot. (change boot order to CD (empty), HD
reboot
fedora starts;
firstboot runs User,name password, smolt report
sugar comes up on choose color______
sucess

You can export a clone after you shut down

>  Disappointed, you don't give
> up, you give it a go with trying to find out what is wrong. Then you get
> angry and feel a failure. Then you call a geek. Then they mess with your
> computer, they get on the web and read lots and flick between wiki pages
> looking muddled. Then they try downloading things and try to fix it. Then
> they read some more and try to fix some more. Then they get angry. Then
> there are tears and you say just give me the other computer (this is
> particularly bad when that one is a Windows machine as that is the sign of
> complete failure) and everyone forgets the Mac for a few months until
> someone is brave enough to ask if it works now.
>
> Can you tell we have been through this cycle quite a few times here in NZ? I
> have tried since mid 2008 to work out how Sugar could work on my Mac. It is
> soul destroying to fail at this repeatedly and a complete put off for
> teachers who are being brave and trying new approaches with technology.
>
> I hand out Sugar on a Stick on USB keys to teachers at loads of events and
> am often asked if it will work on the school Macs, and I have to say no it
> won't, and they hand the USB back. Lost opportunities. :-(
>
> Tabitha
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> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:34:55 +1200
> From: Tim McNamara <paperless at timmcnamara.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page
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> On 16 September 2010 09:00, Tabitha Roder <tabitha at tabitha.net.nz> wrote:
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>> If we support VIrtualBox we
>>     
>>> should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going
>>> to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a
>>> single image.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes
>> from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve
>> this problem.
>>
>>     
>
> Apple designs vertically integrated systems. If schools & teachers decide to
> adopt this philosophy, they take the risk that they can't use external
> stuff. I don't know if Sugar Labs have the capacity to remedy this. I think
> that Sugar Labs should focus on making quality software, and push
> responsibility for adoption downstream to distributions and companies/orgs
> that want to promote Sugar's adoption.
>
> I'm sorry for my lack of sympathy, but I don't see Sugar running natively on
> a Mac platform as a priority for Sugar Labs. It's a priority, but we have
> many priorities and few resources.
>
>
>   
>> I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it.
>> I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers
>> I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or
>> something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who
>> knows?)
>>     
>
>
> You're right there, Boot Camp[1] is not virtualisation. It is more like an
> installer to make things easier for people to install a second operating
> system. It assists people with repartitioning their hard drives and so
> forth.
>
> I think that Boot Camp is a good route to investigate if someone has the
> energy. Perhaps some intrepid Mac users could adapt current tutorials[3] for
> Sugar.
>
> Tim
>
> [1] http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootCamp
> [2]
> http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp
>
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