[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Supporting Sugar .88 on the XO1

Tomeu Vizoso tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net
Fri May 21 05:46:07 EDT 2010

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 02:04, David Farning <dfarning at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Paul Fox <pgf at laptop.org> wrote:
>> david wrote:
>>  > As Bernie announced, we working on supporting Sugar .88 on the XO-1.
>> hi david --
>> for those of us joining this thread late, can you expand on what/who
>> you mean by "we"?  (or tell me to read the archives, if that's
>> more appropriate.)
> Sorry, By we, I mean Activity Central and compnay that Bernie,
> Caroline, and I have started to support OLPC and Sugar deployments.
> It is going to take me awhile to figure out how to communicate with
> the community.  I would like to keep the larger Sugar and OLPC
> projects aware of what our company is doing.  But, I don't what it to
> sound like a press release of pitch for the company:)

Any blog we could syndicate in the planet(s)?



> david
>> paul
>>  > This projects is customer driven by the deployment in Paraguay.  They,
>>  > along with bernie, made a decision that it would be more useful,
>>  > usable, and cost effective to settle on .88 rather than .82.  This
>>  > strictly a decision made by a single deployment, which I support.
>>  >
>>  > As an ecosystem we can make lists of Pros on Cons why this is a good
>>  > or bad decision and why I am an idiot.  At the end of the day this was
>>  > a decision made by a deployment.  The primary reason for this decision
>>  > is that the deployment does not yet has an established base of .82
>>  > machines.  Something we need to be aware of as developers is that
>>  > deployments think on a much longer scale.  As developers, if we have a
>>  > bug we can commit a fix and rebuild within a few days.  Deployments
>>  > can take weeks if not months to push a minor update.
>>  >
>>  > Major version upgrades are something developers can do every six
>>  > months.  From my experience a couple couple of weeks of 'hmmm,  better
>>  > file a bug on that' and I have well running machines after an upgrade.
>>  >  For a enterprise, such as a deployment, the decision to update
>>  > becomes much harder and takes much longer to implement. As Martin
>>  > pointed out, a significant amount of Quality Assurance goes into a
>>  > deployment upgrade.  Not only do the hardware, OS, and learning
>>  > platform need to work together, all infrastructure, activities and
>>  > third party applications must also work after the update.  The problem
>>  > just got significantly harder:)  If I hit a bug while while sitting in
>>  > my office that is one thing.  If a teacher hits a bug where the
>>  > computers no longer connect to the server that is another thing
>>  > entirely.
>>  >
>>  > On the other hand, there have been several significant improvements in
>>  > both Sugar and Fedora over the last couple of releases.  It would be
>>  > valuable to make those improvement available to end users.
>>  >
>>  > My research has indicated that education institutions find that 3
>>  > years is the right balance between stability and improved
>>  > functionality of new software.  Because to the newness of the Sugar 2
>>  > years is a reasonable first round of updates due to the higher than
>>  > normal increases in usefulness and usability.
>>  >
>>  > Blame and credit are important motivators in this game:( As such, if
>>  > we fail, it is the fault of Bernie, paraguayeduca, and I for: 1)
>>  > starting with a bad premise, 2) making bad technical decision, or 3)
>>  > making bad operational decisions.  If we fail it will be due to the
>>  > cooperative efforts of deployments, Sugar Labs, OLPC, and other
>>  > interested third parties.
>>  >
>>  > david
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>> =---------------------
>>  paul fox, pgf at laptop.org
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