[IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] Ooo4Kids logo request

Mel Chua mel at melchua.com
Sun Jun 27 09:30:48 EDT 2010

+1 to this use of the TM, now that we've got an actual request (doesn't 
have to be formal, just has to be logged so we can see/refer to it later!)

This gives us 4 "yes" votes (Bernie, Walter, Adam, and myself) so it 
passes. Copying to iaep for vote transparency (so Adam's vote is also 

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark/Guidelines#Current_usages links 
to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark_permissions_granted now, which 
we can use to keep track of requests we've granted, and also use as a 
repository of examples of requests that folks can look at, so they can 
see they don't need to be uber-formal.


On 06/26/2010 09:07 PM, Adam Holt wrote:
> +1, even if Eric Bachard wasn't awesome (in fact, he is)
> Walter Bender wrote:
>> I vote +1 to this use of the TM... but in the spirit of bike-shedding,
>> I agree with with Bernie that the color-on-white schemes would be
>> better on this page :)
>> -walter
>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:34 AM, Bernie Innocenti<bernie at codewiz.org>  wrote:
>>> El Fri, 25-06-2010 a las 12:21 -0400, Mel Chua escribió:
>>>> Continuing our "move discussion to list" adventures...
>>>> Bernie brought up an OOo4Kids request to display our logo. Tomeu and I
>>>> were unable to find the original text of the request - what is the
>>>> project asking for? We're blocking until we get that text - does anyone
>>>> know where to find it?
>>>> A related motion, from Bernie:
>>>> MOTION: To pre-approve the entire class of requests such as "can I put
>>>> Sugar Labs logo in my partners/acknowledgments page?", as they are very
>>>> frequent and hard to abuse for bad purposes.
>>>> For the record: if we passed this, we'd need to agree on a specific
>>>> change to our TM policy (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trademark).
>>>> Discussion with Tomeu in #sugar-meeting just now led to the following
>>>> conclusions (I'll speak for myself here, but I think Tomeu agrees):
>>>> 1. We should automatically let other parties display *their* endorsement
>>>> of Sugar - for instance, "I<3 and support Sugar Labs"
>>>> banners/buttons/badges, because that is about the other party saying
>>>> something about SL.
>>>> 2. The other way around - something that implies that SL endorses
>>>> something else, is exactly why we have the TM usage guidelines and
>>>> request procedure, and Ooo4Kids should follow it - if their request
>>>> falls in one of the already-automated categories, then sure, it's
>>>> automated... if it isn't, then it will need to be voted on.
>>>> It's not clear whether Ooo4Kids is asking for #1 or #2, so we're
>>>> ultimately still blocking on finding the text of that request. Please
>>>> help! (If you know who the original requestor of this motion is, please
>>>> let them know to get in touch with us.)
>>> This is the original "request":
>>> <ericb2>  hello
>>> <ericb2>  just FYI
>>> <ericb2>  http://www.educoo.org/pages/partenaires/
>>> <ericb2>  Adam sent me some machines, and you are counted as partner
>>> <ericb2>  you means "Sugar Labs"
>>> <ericb2>  if ever you disagree, just tell us, and we'll remove the logo,
>>> and everything you'll ask to
>>> <ericb2>  thanks for forwarding the info to Adam and other
>>> <bernie>  I do agree
>>> <bernie>  except our logo with a black bg looks horrible :-)
>>> <bernie>  I'll ask the board to confirm they agree with this partnership,
>>> but I'm sure they will say ok
>>> <ericb2>  ah, sorry. In fact, this is the first try, and we'll probably
>>> improve. e.g. the UTBM logo is a fake, and I sent one correct to Fred
>>> (ht eguy who will maintain the page)
>>> <ericb2>  ok, thanks a lot
>>> <bernie>  I sent an email asking if this usage of our logo is ok without
>>> requesting a TM license
>>> For the small things like this, I think anything much more sophisticated
>>> than "can I put the SL logo in our partners page?" + "sure, go ahead!"
>>> seems overkill to me.
>>> Besides the waste of time, I'm afraid that acting like a bunch of
>>> paranoid attorneys when interacting with our partners and contributors
>>> would hurt Sugar Labs' public image way more than the tiny chance of our
>>> logo receiving an undeserved acknowledgment somewhere.
>>> --
>>>     // Bernie Innocenti -http://codewiz.org/
>>>   \X/  Sugar Labs            -http://sugarlabs.org/
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