[IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] F11+0.88+XO1.* as a SL project

[Gary Martin]

Hi Caryl,

On 1 Jul 2010, at 17:30, Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi...
> 
> I love Sean's idea of listing and linking to resources from deployments around the world. With Google Translate these are accessible to everyone regardless of their language. 
> 
> I would also like to see some of the Activities that are "living" back on the old OLPC wiki under "Activities All" listed on the Sugar Labs wiki as well.  I had given up on finding the Star Chart Activity after searching every way I could think of on the Sugar Labs Activities list.

Yes I like StarChart also, but the Sugar Activity page is grown from Activities that have some level of 'recent' maintenance from a dev — though that definition is getting weak for some of them these days :(. If you want to see StarChart listed, go and let Dave Wallace (davewa http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Davewa) know how much his activity is still loved and see if he can carry on maintaining. The other solution is to adopt StarChart, or find someone who is willing, and migrate it over to Sugar Labs infrastructure. Perhaps a deployment is interested in taking it on?

Regards,
--Gary

> Finally I stumbled on it and several other useful science related Activities back on the OLPC wiki.  I was looking for them for the Big Sky Science Partnership for Montana Reservation Schools (Montana State U and the Crow and Northern Cheyenne). They are doing a small Contributors Program project.
> 
> Sharing resources is nice!
> 
> Caryl
> 
> > From: sdaly.be at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:15:37 -0400
> > To: bernie at sugarlabs.org
> > CC: mel at melchua.com; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org; slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] F11+0.88+XO1.* as a SL project
> > 
> > The OLPCNews commenter in question is anti-Sugar and believes all of
> > our resources should be supporting OLPC and its deployments (and none
> > elsewhere).
> > 
> > I haven't seen any evidence that there is a perception problem that we
> > are biased towards certain vendors. If anything, the perception is
> > that we are "the software on the $100 laptop". We may have issues the
> > day we are referenced on the CMPC, Dell or HP edu netbooks, but that
> > hasn't happened yet.
> > 
> > For my part I think listing projects is a fine idea, it shows our tent
> > is big and welcoming. We just need to very clear that we don't provide
> > "tech support" for these projects.
> > 
> > Sugar on a Stick has been an important part of our outreach since it
> > lowers the unfamiliarity and installation barriers. However, we have
> > often referred to other projects in our communications, among them
> > Paraguay Educa, Plan Ceibal, and the Palestine Education Initiative.
> > Some of these projects have marketing/PR people who are always pleased
> > to work with us.
> > 
> > While we're at it, we could list Sugar deployments, too, since they
> > often have Sugar information and documentation of interest, e.g.
> > http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=107&Itemid=268
> > , an XO manual with many pages presenting Sugar.
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bernie Innocenti <bernie at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
> > > El Fri, 25-06-2010 a las 13:23 -0400, Mel Chua escribió:
> > >
> > >> 2. cjb and tomeu and mchua are wondering whether that infrastructure
> > >> access (which you *don't* need SL project status for!) was what the
> > >> project was asking for, or if there was anything more to the request to
> > >> become an "official project" - what resources, specifically, would they
> > >> want from SL that they think becoming a "SL project" will grant them?
> > >> Bernie, can you respond?
> > >
> > > In addition to the hosting and bandwidth, I would like to ask for
> > > permission to add a link to F11-0.88 to the wiki sidebar, below SoaS.
> > >
> > > Cjb said that it was not an issue for OLPC, but Tomeu was still
> > > concerned that other downstream projects could be negatively affected by
> > > our endorsement of an XO distribution. What makes us look really biased
> > > is having just SoaS in our Projects side-bar.
> > >
> > > In fact, I exchanged a few emails with a F11-0.88 tester who refused to
> > > file activity bugs on bugs.sugarlabs.org because "I'm not interested in
> > > how Sugar runs on desktop machines (nor on Ubuntu, etc.)" :-(
> > >
> > > This comment of an OLPCNews reader is even more eloquent:
> > >
> > >  http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/the_best_xo_laptop_operating_s.html#comment-296246
> > >
> > >
> > > We seem to have a problem of perception of SL being biased towards
> > > specific vendors. To fix that, we could either choose to stop working
> > > with anyone, or we could offer the same service level to any downstream
> > > project asking for Sugar Labs hosting. Currently, our infrastructure is
> > > also hosting these partners:
> > >
> > >  * OLE - http://www.ole.org
> > >  * OLE Nepal - http://olenepal.org/
> > >  * Paraguay Educa (some services)
> > >  * Karma - http://karma.sugarlabs.org
> > >  * Somos Azucar - http://somosazucar.org
> > >  * GCompris (only the git repository)
> > >  * ZeroInstall (only a package repository)
> > >
> > > I would personally *love* to give more visibility to all of these
> > > through links in our wiki. Only Karma and GCompris would really qualify
> > > as hosted Projects. The others are partnering organizations. OLE Nepal
> > > should really be a Local Lab.
> > >
> > > As far as I'm concerned, we could even extend the same invitation to
> > > other Sugar related projects that are being hosted at disparate, obscure
> > > locations: eXe, Trisquel Sugar, Ubuntu Sugar Remix...
> > >
> > > Mel asked an interesting question: what exactly is a Project? Some time
> > > ago, David Farning studied the issue and posted a criteria for endorsing
> > > sub-projects modeled after the Eclipse and Apache models, two very large
> > > and very successful umbrella projects.
> > >
> > > In two years of Infrastructure Team coordination, I don't remember ever
> > > refusing any hosting, syndication or account request. Why? Because I
> > > believe that "Stop Energy" fundamentally hurts organizations like ours.
> > > We've been quite successful at hosting activities because there's almost
> > > zero stop energy in the way of contributors. The same could happen in
> > > other areas as well.
> > >
> > > Unlike a business, we don't need to focus their resources just on
> > > revenue-making activities. Our fuel actually comes from contributors,
> > > there's rarely anything to gain by telling them to go away.
> > >
> > > --
> > >   // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/
> > >  \X/  Sugar Labs       - http://sugarlabs.org/
> > >
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