[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] 'Resume' vs 'Start a new' Activity

Edward Cherlin echerlin at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 09:41:59 EST 2010

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 05:39, Gerald Ardito <gmanb5 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am interested in this discussion.
> I am managing a deployment of 140 XOs/SOAS (mostly XOs) and this issue comes
> up a lot with the students. A couple of classrooms are just finishing a
> project with EToys and Resume was a big problem for us.
> In EToys, you seem to have to rename the project in the Journal. So, every
> Journal entry says, by default, "EToys Project." So, time is lost trying to
> find the right one (until the students get the naming thing).

In my draft guide to Discovery, I am suggesting that teachers
explicitly tell students how to name sessions for the first few days,
with decreasing guidance as students get the idea.

"We are going to save our work now. Click the stop sign, everybody. Do
you see that the name "Etoys Project" is highlighted? That means you
can just start typing your own name for your session. Type the name
[name] in place of "EToys Project". Now click OK.

"Save your work, everyone. Does anybody remember how?" "Click the Stop
icon and give the session a name?", some student asks. "Right."

"Now save your session. What should we call it?" Accept a suggestion
and write it on the board.

"Now save your session, and remember--" "To name it!!" they all shout.

> The idea of having some Journal icon in the toolbar seems good. I would also
> appreciate any feedback about EToys.

The Tutorials are excellent. Perhaps we could mock up Sugar in Etoys
and use the same techniques to teach Sugar controls.

> Thanks.
> Gerald
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Simon Schampijer <simon at schampijer.de>
> wrote:
>> On 01/07/2010 05:19 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
>> > Simon Schampijer wrote:
>> >> When they resume a previous activity, and they wanted to start a new
>> >> one, I have seen learners erasing the previous content and keep on
>> >> working in that activity.
>> >
>> > This is the purpose of resume-by-default. The idea arose in response to
>> > feedback from Uruguay, where students routinely filled their disk.  The
>> > situation became so severe that, infamously, children in Uruguay began
>> > to
>> > memorize the shell commands required to erase the Journal by force.
>> I meant that: You click on the turtle in the home screen. Last week you
>> did lesson 1. The kids want to do lesson 2 with has nothing to do with
>> lesson 1. They erase all the blocks they had and begin doing lesson 2.
>> Hence they lost lesson 1.
>> > If you are working on systems with larger than 1 GB disks, or students
>> > who
>> > do not use the machines full-time, then you will of course be far less
>> > likely to encounter this problem.  This is not to say that I know what
>> > the
>> > right solution is; I'm not at all sure.
>> Of course, I see the point of limited space, and I am aware of why we
>> choose to have resume by default. The problem I see is unclaerity. Just
>> look at the home screen. Do you know what will happen when you click on
>> one of those icons? What are the expectations. Maybe there are better
>> ways of displaying the options you have in the home view to the user. I
>> guess that is what I am looking for :)
>> Thanks,
>>    Simon
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