[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86

Simon Schampijer simon at schampijer.de
Thu Sep 3 17:30:41 EDT 2009

On 09/03/2009 06:15 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Gary C Martin<gary at garycmartin.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 16:35, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>>   On 09/02/2009 01:32 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Simon Schampijer<simon at schampijer.de
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>   Hi,
>>>>> some of you may know, I am doing a Sugar Pilot here in Germany. I try to
>>>>> keep my blog (listed on the sugarlabs planet as well) about my findings
>>>>> up to date [1]. For technical findings (how to setup nfs, ldap on Fedora
>>>>> for example) the plan is to use the wiki. 'Debatable things' I will try
>>>>> to bring up on the mailing list as well.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>    Simon
>>>>> [1] http://erikos.sweettimez.de/   ---   Categories: Sugar, Deployment
>>>>> and Teaching
>>>>> [2] http://planet.sugarlabs.org/
>>>> +1 on removing the “naming alert”, this has been bugging me since the day
>>>> it's been introduced.
>>>> Adding “rewards” to the Journal is something that David Van Assche and
>>>> Gary
>>>> C Martin discussed quite a bit Paris. Unfortunately nobody had the time
>>>> to
>>>> really follow up on these discussions with some actual code... :-/
>>>> Looking forward to the next blog posts about your experiences in the
>>>> school!
>>>> Christoph
>>> Let me post here from my blog post why I think it is important:
>>> As much as I am a friend of highlighting the naming, tagging and
>>> description purposes, I don’t think the alert is a good way to ‘enforce’
>>> this. I think those actions are not first class ones. I am happy when
>>> the kids understood the concept of the Journal a bit, but they will not
>>> start to make better descriptions in the first Sugar days or weeks, with
>>> or without the alert. For now, it is just a confusing dialog that pops
>>> up when you close an activity. And later, once the kids would know about
>>> the importance they would be better served with other tools. For example
>>> an option in the activity toolbar (like we have for the title already).
>>>  From my experience I highly recommend to remove the alert, +1 when for
>>> 0.86 already.
>> Personally I'm not keen on it either. I pretty well always skip past it
>> myself and have learnt to click Stop and tap return. But, being neither
>> qualified on the pedagogical needs, nor having seen actual learners of out
>> target age, I didn't want to rush forward and +1 Simon's proposal.
>> The main goal as I remember was to try and combat the slew of un-named
>> Journal entries, but a good chunk of this was likely due to the Home
>> favourite view always starting new activity instances. Now that it resumes
>> by default, the Journal 'spam' has been cut down quite significantly (for
>> me).
>> Perhaps we drop this dialogue and then seriously take another look at
>> improving the names automatically generated for new activity entries?
> Yes, that sounds like a very reasonable way to proceed!
> One suggestion for write's journal entries for
> example would be to use the first few words of the document as a
> suggested entry name (similarly to what Microsoft's Word does).
> Christoph

Sounds good to me, too. We have full text search for Write which helps 
at least when searching.


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