No subject

something similar to both schools.s.o, and li-f-e.org, which is creating  a
library of moodle courses, the biggest challenge of which becomees, how to
do this is in an easily undertandable format annd categoristaion of the so
colled  ' library of courses' This if of course the tip of the iceberg, and
would be using about 5% of what moodle can do, but the transportability is
key here. As ,mentioned, its easy enough to export a scorm elemnt, and then
upload to something like curriki. Doing it the other way round looses all
the funtinoality of Moodle itself to tailor and customise courses, as they
are important as objects rather than real Moodle courses.

 Moodle advocates. I am a big Moodle fan. But I don't think its our right
now solution for the work we are talking about doing.

>
>
>    1. Our target, elementary school teachers are not currently using
>    either Moodle or Sugar, adding both at once makes the learning curve even
>    harder.
>
> Remember that if u intend to use the XS server, moodle is actually
integrated into Sugar, ie... its a part of the Sugar experience.


>
>    1. We are focusing on lesson plans in the 1 hour and even 20-minute
>    groupwork time frames.  Moodle is more focused on longer time frames.
>
> You can make a moodle course last 5 mintues - 50 hours if u like, its al
about how u set it up.


>
>    1. We are focusing on what the teacher will do and what the class will
>    do both online and offline during the lesson as well as learning goals,
>    standards, help for the teacher in differentiating the lesson etc.  Think
>    the teachers guide for the text book. Moodle is more focused on what the
>    student is doing online. Its not a very natural fit.
>
> Quite the opposite... Moodle is focued on making it easier to contol and
offer in an easy leeson plan format what the students can do/ wth the added
benefit of being able to grade all the courses.


>
>    1. Moodle has tremendous promise in terms of reducing teacher workload.
>     Here is an example of what I hope that in the future Moodle will be able
>    to:
>       1. Provide a link that students click and they open a Write document
>       that is a template/scaffolding for a specific assignment, say writing a
>       scientific argument.
>       2. When the document is saved it is automatically turned in as
>       Homework in Moodle allowing the teacher to review and comment on the
>       document from anywhere, even on days when the class does not see the science
>       teacher
>
> The reason I pointed out the comment  above


>
>    1. .
>
> however, these features aren't there yet. Once they are there will be a
> large payoff for teachers to learn Moodle.  However, I still see Moodle as
> just one format teachers will use. Other lessons and other teachers and
> other contexts may still want to print out a pdf.  Other times a teacher may
> just be browsing for a sample lesson to be used as inspiration to create a
> quite different lesson.
>

Actully, these features are there, as I have used them extensively in my own
moodle coruses driven by student input.

Sorry for attacking, if it seemed that way, but it really does seem like
people haven't studied themultitude of options that Moodle offers.

kind Regard,
David Van Assche


>
> Thanks,
> Caroline
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Chris Rowe <chris at ole.org> wrote:
>
>> Caroline,
>>
>> We at Open Learning Exchange (OLE) have been working towards a solution
>> for this over the past 2 years and have a working prototype with the most
>> basic functionality we think is needed. You are welcome to try it out at
>> library.ole.org
>>
>> There are several sites on the web that are trying to create a place for
>> curriculum to be shared but none of them that I know of are addressing the
>> needs of developing countries. We have done a lot of work to address the
>> diverse needs of countries with limited internet access and feel we have a
>> solution that will be very powerful in the near future.
>>
>> We are working with our centers around the world to identify the key
>> success factors in making a Global Learning Library as well as several
>> partners like the Siyavula project in South Africa and Connexions at Rice
>> University to leverage existing work done in this area.
>>
>> In addition, we have begun talks with Sugarlabs to use our library as a
>> repository of educational materials that incorporate sugar activities. It
>> would be very helpful for us to get your feedback on what we have and to
>> work with you on integrating it with your work and the work of the Sugarlabs
>> community.
>>
>> Some of my thoughts on other solutions.
>>
>> Sugarlabs wiki: There is too much other content on the sugarlabs wiki that
>> is not relevant to teachers. Just like activities.sugarlabs.org is a
>> place to find and download activities I think we need a place designed
>> specifically for curriculum materials.
>>
>> Moodle: Moodle is a great tool for creating structured, interactive lesson
>> plans and for deploying them in classrooms but it is not designed as a
>> library or repository of materials. Our plan is to start by allowing people
>> to create Moodle courses and share them on our library for others to
>> download and use on their own Moodle servers. We are also working with a
>> developer to integrate work he has done on Moodle import/export into our
>> library in the future.
>>
>> Curriki: Curriki is the closest thing to what we think is needed but it
>> lacks the ability to be deployed on a country by country basis. We feel
>> strongly that a learning library needs to be customizable for each country,
>> each school and even each student.
>>
>> Curriculum alignment: There are many features that we we feel are an
>> integral part of making a library of curriculum materials successful that we
>> have not implemented in our library yet. Curriculum alignment is at the top
>> of that list. Because of the complexity of many of the worlds curriculum
>> standards we want to make sure we do not overload teachers with too much
>> information.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Chris Rowe, CTO
>> Open Learning Exchange
>> +1 (512) 553-0852 | skype: eworsirhc
>> http://ole.org
>> Sent from Austin, TX, United States
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Caroline Meeks
> Solution Grove
> Caroline at SolutionGrove.com
>
> 617-500-3488 - Office
> 505-213-3268 - Fax
>
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Actually, points 4.1 and 4.2 have been integrated into moodle for quite a w=
hile now. Perhaps its the flexibility which is making these possibilities h=
idden, that and their particular use of wording. Unfortunately, people tend=
 to not use the full capaccity of its uses until they completly understand =
what they are doing, as moodle gives an almost infinte amount of ways to ma=
nipulate data. As Martin Langhoff has pointed out on numerous accassions, w=
e need to drop funcinality until the User interface is easily understnadble=
 by all, something he has gracefully offered to do over the next couple of =
moths,<br>
<br>So, with a customised, simplifie versin of moodle and what it does (cou=
rse management, which to me is very much linked with creating and presentin=
g lesson plans is perfect for the job.<br><br>I am of course interesting in=
 what the lesson plan/ course will loook like if it is not based on the moo=
dle infraastricture.<br>
<br>What is absolutely needed is some extra volunteering ti totally simplif=
y the UI, something that might take a while but was already started by Mart=
in and co.<br><br>n<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4=
:58 PM, Caroline Meeks <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:caroline at sol=
utiongrove.com">caroline at solutiongrove.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Chris,<div><br=
></div><div><div>I think the right answer is to put our materials on both y=
our system and Curriki for now and hopefully an automated interoperable sys=
tem will emerge.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am very interested in collaborating with OLE and in m=
aking materials accessible to schools without internet access.=A0Please tal=
k more about how your system supports these environments. =A0I have not yet=
 reached out to the Curriki people to try to create a partnership. =A0Are y=
ou in communication with them?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>From what I understand of the OLE system, is th=
at they will be doing something similar to both schools.s.o, and <a href=3D=
"http://li-f-e.org">li-f-e.org</a>, which is creating=A0 a library of moodl=
e courses, the biggest challenge of which becomees, how to do this is in an=
 easily undertandable format annd categoristaion of the so colled=A0 &#39; =
library of courses&#39; This if of course the tip of the iceberg, and would=
 be using about 5% of what moodle can do, but the transportability is key h=
ere. As ,mentioned, its easy enough to export a scorm elemnt, and then uplo=
ad to something like curriki. Doing it the other way round looses all the f=
untinoality of Moodle itself to tailor and customise courses, as they are i=
mportant as objects rather than real Moodle courses.<br>
<br>=A0Moodle advocates. I am a big Moodle fan. But I don&#39;t think its o=
ur right now solution for the work we are talking about doing.</div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 20=
4); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>

<div><br></div><div><ol><li>Our target, elementary school teachers are not =
currently using either Moodle or Sugar, adding both at once makes the learn=
ing curve even harder.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div>Remember that=
 if u intend to use the XS server, moodle is actually integrated into Sugar=
, ie... its a part of the Sugar experience.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><di=
v><ol>

<li>We are focusing on lesson plans in the 1 hour and even 20-minute groupw=
ork time frames. =A0Moodle is more focused on longer time frames.</li></ol>=
</div></div></blockquote><div>You can make a moodle course last 5 mintues -=
 50 hours if u like, its al about how u set it up.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><di=
v><ol><li>We are focusing on what the teacher will do and what the class wi=
ll do both online and offline during the lesson as well as learning goals, =
standards, help for the teacher in differentiating the lesson etc. =A0Think=
 the teachers guide for the text book. Moodle is more focused on what the s=
tudent is doing online. Its not a very natural fit.</li>
</ol></div></div></blockquote><div>Quite the opposite... Moodle is focued o=
n making it easier to contol and offer in an easy leeson plan format what t=
he students can do/ wth the added benefit of being able to grade all the co=
urses.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><di=
v><ol>

<li>Moodle has tremendous promise in terms of reducing teacher workload. =
=A0Here is an example of what I hope that in the future Moodle will be able=
 to:</li><ol><li>Provide a link that students click and they open a Write d=
ocument that is a template/scaffolding for a specific assignment, say writi=
ng a scientific argument.</li>


<li>When the document is saved it is automatically turned in as Homework in=
 Moodle allowing the teacher to review and comment on the document from any=
where, even on days when the class does not see the science teacher</li>
</ol></ol></div></div></blockquote><div>The reason I pointed out the commen=
t=A0 above<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-le=
ft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;">
<div><div><ol><ol><li>.</li>

</ol></ol><div>however, these features aren&#39;t there yet. Once they are =
there will be a large payoff for teachers to learn Moodle. =A0However, I st=
ill see Moodle as just one format teachers will use. Other lessons and othe=
r teachers and other contexts may still want to print out a pdf. =A0Other t=
imes a teacher may just be browsing for a sample lesson to be used as inspi=
ration to create a quite different lesson.=A0</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Actully, these features are there, as I h=
ave used them extensively in my own moodle coruses driven by student input.=
<br><br>Sorry for attacking, if it seemed that way, but it really does seem=
 like people haven&#39;t studied themultitude of options that Moodle offers=
.<br>
<br>kind Regard,<br>David Van Assche<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt=
 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>

<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Caroline</div></div><div><div><div></=
div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 a=
t 12:57 PM, Chris Rowe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chris at ole.or=
g" target=3D"_blank">chris at ole.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Caroline,<br><br>=
We at Open Learning Exchange (OLE) have been working towards a solution for=
 this over the past 2 years and have a working prototype with the most basi=
c functionality we think is needed. You are welcome to try it out at <a hre=
f=3D"http://library.ole.org" target=3D"_blank">library.ole.org</a><br>




<br>There are several sites on the web that are trying to create a place fo=
r curriculum to be shared but none of them that I know of are addressing th=
e needs of developing countries. We have done a lot of work to address the =
diverse needs of countries with limited internet access and feel we have a =
solution that will be very powerful in the near future.<br>




<br>We are working with our centers around the world to identify the key su=
ccess factors in making a Global Learning Library as well as several partne=
rs like the Siyavula project in South Africa and Connexions at Rice Univers=
ity to leverage existing work done in this area.<br>




<br>In addition, we have begun talks with Sugarlabs to use our library as a=
 repository of educational materials that incorporate sugar activities. It =
would be very helpful for us to get your feedback on what we have and to wo=
rk with you on integrating it with your work and the work of the Sugarlabs =
community.<br clear=3D"all">




<br>Some of my thoughts on other solutions.<br><br>Sugarlabs wiki: There is=
 too much other content on the sugarlabs wiki that is not relevant to teach=
ers. Just like <a href=3D"http://activities.sugarlabs.org" target=3D"_blank=
">activities.sugarlabs.org</a> is a place to find and download activities I=
 think we need a place designed specifically for curriculum materials.<br>




<br>Moodle: Moodle is a great tool for creating structured, interactive les=
son plans and for deploying them in classrooms but it is not designed as a =
library or repository of materials. Our plan is to start by allowing people=
 to create Moodle courses and share them on our library for others to downl=
oad and use on their own Moodle servers. We are also working with a develop=
er to integrate work he has done on Moodle import/export into our library i=
n the future.<br>




<br>Curriki: Curriki is the closest thing to what we think is needed but it=
 lacks the ability to be deployed on a country by country basis. We feel st=
rongly that a learning library needs to be customizable for each country, e=
ach school and even each student.<br>




<br>Curriculum alignment: There are many features that we we feel are an in=
tegral part of making a library of curriculum materials successful that we =
have not implemented in our library yet. Curriculum alignment is at the top=
 of that list. Because of the complexity of many of the worlds curriculum s=
tandards we want to make sure we do not overload teachers with too much inf=
ormation.<br>




<br>Chris<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>Chris Rowe, CTO<br style=3D"paddin=
g-right: 1px;">Open Learning Exchange<br style=3D"padding-right: 1px;">+1 (=
512) 553-0852 | skype: eworsirhc<br style=3D"padding-right: 1px;"><a href=
=3D"http://ole.org" target=3D"_blank">http://ole.org</a>
<br>Sent from Austin, TX, United States
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"im">-- <br>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br>Caroline at SolutionGrove.c=
om<br><br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br>
</div></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
IAEP -- It&#39;s An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br=
>
<a href=3D"http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target=3D"_blank">http=
://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clea=
r=3D"all"><br>-- <br><br><a href=3D"http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/autho=
rs/s/samuel_goldwyn.html" target=3D"_blank">Samuel Goldwyn</a> =A0- &quot;I=
&#39;m willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wron=
g.&quot;

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