[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

[Eben Eliason]

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with
> all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar
> UI.

Again, the goal here would be to switch to a colored XO as soon as
possible. If we can do this earlier in the boot process, we should.

> I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the "still
> loading" context communicated by grey.

Also, my mockup which first shows the Sugar logo, as Christian
suggested, would make it clear that the screen is functioning
correctly before the gray XO appears.

> I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present
> right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during
> progress... the ring "approaching" colors from grey

I don't feel that the technicolor approach with the dots is actually
conveying the right message. The boot sequence is really supposed to
be about the XO, and the child's one chosen set of colors. Introducing
lots of colors reduces the personalization, I feel. I'd stick to at
most one "other" set of colors, for the logo.

> I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within
> Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience
> (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar
> "usually" loads is I think desirable

This wouldn't change the sequence; it would only change the color of
the logo, which I don't think would cause confusion. Instead, this
would be in keeping with Sugar's identity: just as the logo changes on
each page of the website, so too the logo would change for each boot.

If we can randomize the logo color, presumably we could also render
the XO in proper colors and show that much earlier in the boot
sequence. We could also blink from gray to colored (in leu of smooth
pulsing), perhaps, though I'd have to see it. It might look awful,
especially since the frames aren't all shown for the same duration.

Eben


> thanks
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin <gary at garycmartin.com> wrote:
>> On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with your points--comments below:
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin <gary at garycmartin.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in
>>>>> the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in
>>>>> many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the
>>>>> logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds,
>>>>> before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose
>>>>> the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest
>>>>> that much time was spent arriving at where we are today...
>>>>
>>>> Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child
>>>> as
>>>> central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the
>>>> original
>>>> would be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment
>>>> (seems
>>>> too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing
>>>> dots
>>>> show progress just fine)
>>>
>>> Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced.
>>>
>>>> 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to
>>>> 12
>>>> feels more natural to me)
>>>
>>> Agree with that, too.
>>
>> Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded.
>>
>>>> 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG
>>>> iconography on colour use)
>>>
>>> Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the
>>> UI...
>>
>> Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this suggestion ;-)
>>
>> I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready yet' so
>> I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots appearing
>> in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing them all as
>> grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Gary
>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> --Gary
>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin <gary at garycmartin.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've
>>>>>> uploaded
>>>>>> one simple treatment to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Night,
>>>>>> --Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth
>>>>>> getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some
>>>>>> alternative
>>>>>> treatments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian, Eben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an
>>>>>>> outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, "celebrating" Sugar
>>>>>>> interface.iconography and greeting children.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that
>>>>>>> consecutively named files will do the trick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do
>>>>>>> you guys have any interface assets i could grab?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Input greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we could work on it together?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> here's my idea.... like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian
>>>>>>>> 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the
>>>>>>>> Sugar
>>>>>>>> HIG and iconography.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS
>>>>>>>> ... (not sure yet if should be with or without "labs")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> dots, I want XO avatars - kids!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity
>>>>>>>> icon...
>>>>>>>> matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids
>>>>>>>> understand that Activities are for them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And ending with... kids around the Journal!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for
>>>>>>>> a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements,
>>>>>>>> backing down to the first image
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could
>>>>>>>> inject arbitrary text into a ppm file
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin
>>>>>>>> <gary at garycmartin.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sean,
>>>>>>>>> FYI, this came in off list.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> --G
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: James Zaki <james.zaki at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST
>>>>>>>>> To: Gary C Martin <gary at garycmartin.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
>>>>>>>>> I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin <gary at garycmartin.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian, Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> awhile
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --G
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's the deadline please?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin
>>>>>>>>>>> <gary at garycmartin.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yum
>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reflect the changes for Fedora 11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again, but we might also want to have something more shiny
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a progress bar).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of view if
>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> one else steps forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So. When did you need it by?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLPC is currently doing the same for their 1.5 software release,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives us a good possibility to have a look at the file
>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~halfline/olpc.tar.bz2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if there's anything I can help with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to plymouth, but looking at the content of olpc.tar.bz2
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems simple. My main question is where should I look for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> config
>>>>>>>>>>>> that describes which images get loaded in what order. Perhaps the
>>>>>>>>>>>> names just conform to some hardcoded protocol? How about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>>>>> of corner-image.png, perhaps hardcoded again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just downloading your latest Soas build so will have a dig in
>>>>>>>>>>>> there to see what you have done already – I'm just wondering if
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> is really as easy as generating a bunch of png files with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>>>> file names :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Sebastian
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